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T205 DRUM vs HINDU....or, other tough front/back combos....let's talk T205's
Most T205 collectors consider the HINDU's tougher than the DRUM's. To date, there are 25 subjects confirmed with DRUM backs. While there are 19 subjects confirmed with HINDU backs. DRUM and HINDU checklists will follow. And, this I can state with certainty: T205 DRUM and HINDU cards are mutually exclusive. How many more T205's yet to be found with HINDU backs is not easily discernable, given the existing back patterns associated with T205 HINDU's. However, I have a theory regarding the predictability of DRUM cards in the T205 set. Theory...... the A=B=C=D equation Apparently, American Lithographic printed American Beauty (Black)...Broad Leaf...Cycle...Drum backs simultaneously on certain T205 subjects. Research suggests, as many as 32 subjects were possibly printed with DRUM backs in the T205 set. The key factor in this A=B=C=D equation is the Black American Beauty back. Conversely, a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back will NOT be found with a DRUM back. Here's my original list of 11 predictions Since I proposed these predictions, 4 of them have surfaced with DRUM backs (marked confirmed on list). So, I'm 4 for 4 (Batting 1.000). Therefore, I'm feeling very confident that my theory is valid. The remaining 7 guys have been confirmed with the A=B=C pattern. So, I expect these 7 subjects eventually will be discovered with the DRUM back (completing their A=B=C=D connection). 1......Bates.........confirmed 2......Becker 3......Bergen.......confirmed 4......Evans 5......Herzog 6......Huggins 7......Leach.........confirmed 8......Lobert 9......Paskert......confirmed 10....Phelps 11....Wheat Having said all that, the intent of this thread is twofold....to inform....and to encourage more worthwhile T205 discussions. Especially, regarding the tougher front / back combinations (i.e: HINDU's....AMERICAN BEAUTY....BROAD LEAF....CYCLE....DRUM's, etc.). So, feel free to post your T205's of any variety.....and/or, to chime in with some interesting stories regarding your T205 set or cards. TED Z . |
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Ted the Cycles don't follow the pattern like they do on 206's. I also have a list of Hindu confirmed/possibles I can post of your interested. I have some where a list of the same for Drums but having issues with my desktop where I believe it is.
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Hi Andrew
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I realize that the patterns of the T205 CYCLE's are different than they are with the T206 cards. But, when the CYCLE's are in partners with the black American Beauty and the Broad Leaf cards for a given T205 subject, then a Drum will inevitably follow. And, by all means, please list all of the Drum and Hindu confirmed/possibles you have. Thanks, ole buddy TED Z . |
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Love all the recent t205 threads! If anyone had a hindu or drum they are looking to sell i could be interested
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I have a T205 Jake Stahl (Boston Amer) with a Hindu back.
Steve
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Thanks Steve, great find
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T205 HINDU checklist
List of the 19 subjects currently confirmed with HINDU backs (with respect to their Team affiliation)......
New York Giants ------------------- Leon Ames Josh Devore W. R. Dickson Chicago Cubs ---------------- John Kling John Pfeister Cincinnatti Reds ------------------- Robert Bescher Richard Egan Harry Gaspar Detroit Tigers ---------------- George Simmons Oscar Stanage Philadelphia Phillies ----------------------- Fred Jacklitsch Sherwood Magee Washington Senators ------------------------- Walter Johnson GeorgeMcBride Boston Red Sox ------------------- Clyde Engle Boston Rustlers ------------------ Bayard Sharpe Brooklyn Superbas ---------------------- Edgar Lennox Pittsburg Pirates -------------------- Albert Leifield St Louis Browns ------------------- William Bailey TED Z . |
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T205 DRUM vs HINDU....or, other tough front/back combos....let's talk T205's
Steve
Your T205 Jake Stahl is a new HINDU card. This is the 20th confirmed HINDU. When you can, please post front & back scans of it. Thanks for this important input, TED Z . |
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Ted is spot on in his evaluation...the matrix can be further seen at t205resource.com
Drum used to be tougher than Hindu but I suspect the print runs were probably similar. There was a couple of "large" Drum finds (around 20 cards total) a few years back that allowed much of those into the hobby. I can tell you that there were at least three press runs for Hindu as I have have seen three different Hindu Ames sell during my time. As for Drum, I have only confirmed duplicates of Brown and Quinn...still waiting to confirm a triplicate of those two. Joshua |
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Joshua
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Thanks, I appreciate the compliment. Regarding the relatively recent two finds of T205 Drum's, that I think you are alluding to. Ron Oser and I were set-up at adjacent booths at a Philly Show when Ron discovered those cards on his trips to St. Louis. Ron and I were like two kids sorting thru all these T205 (and T206) Drum cards (which altogether totaled approx. 70 Drum cards)......what a "blast". TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 11-21-2014 at 04:06 PM. Reason: Correct a typo. |
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Ted I remember sitting at the Hilton bar with you in 2010 and talking t205's and this back pattern link and also some other card back list and connections. Hope we can repeat that again this summer. Here is the Hindu list I made about 2 yrs back. I deleted it off the board along with some of my other research. Anyways here's what I have:
I have been researching this set for what seems yrs now. I was leaning towards a theory about the Hindus a while back but needed a few more back confirmations to make the connection factual. Hindus were printed at the 649 Fact, as well as the Hassan 649 back. After a lot of research I noticed that NO Hindu players were found with Hassan Backs even though they were printed in the same factory as each other. I then realized there was another neat thing that all Hindus have the SC black backs only. So if it has a Hassan back then there will be NO Hindu or SC Black back from either factory. None of the AB, BL, Cycle, Drum, or Pied 42 cards can be found with the SC black back from either factory either, but can have SC red fact 25. These may have not been printed, but they meet all the criteria to be a Hindu print, and there is a list of Confirmed backs below. Also you will see a few Variations listed. I believe the 2 variations listed are the correct card for the back to fall on. This is due the card listed as being the primary card containing the SC Blacks from both factories and the other variation being a type of misprint or correction later on. Possible Abbaticchio Archer Ball Birmingham Bransfield Ciotte Daubert Doughtery-Red Sox Emblem Duffy Ford Black Cap Fromme Goode Gray-No Stats Griffith Groom Hoffman Hummel Jennings Killian LaPorte Lang Livingston Lord Lush Maddox McElveen McIntyre McLean Mitchell Moriarity Mullin Rucker Schmidt Scott Stahl Thomas Young Confirmed Ames Bailey Bescher Devore Dickson Egan Engle Gaspar Jacklitsch Johnson Kling Leifield-A on Front Lennox Magee McBride Pfiester Sharpe Simmons Stanage I do hope this will help out in some way and hope to cross off a few in the future to the confirmed list. I would be happy to hear any questions or comments.
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Hey Andrew
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into the night. I think we finally ended talking about our Daughters....your Kadence and Melody, and my Zoe and Debra. The Good Lord willing, we can continue our conversation this forthcoming Summer. Thanks for posting all this good stuff regarding T205 HINDU's. I will certainly give it some serious thought. Incidentally, on your possible list is Stahl, and yesterday Steve D (post #6) identified Stahl with a HINDU back. TED Z . |
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T205 DRUM checklist
Team affiliation of the 25 subjects currently confirmed with DRUM backs......
New York Yankees ---------------------- James Austin Harold Chase (border on shirt) Jack Knight John Quinn Harry Wolter Philadelphia Phillies ----------------------- John Bates Patrick Moran George Paskert Chicago White Sox ---------------------- Russell Blackburne Frederick Olmstead Fred Payne Boston Rustlers ------------------- George Graham (blue signature) David Shean Brooklyn Superbas ---------------------- George Bell William Bergen Chicago Cubs ----------------- Mordecai Brown Lewis Richie Cincinnati Reds ------------------ Thomas Downey Richard Hoblitzell New York Giants -------------------- Albert Bridwell A. Latham Philadelphia A's ------------------ Briscoe Lord Pittsburg Pirates ------------------- Thomas Leach St Louis Browns ------------------- George Stone St Louis Cardinals --------------------- Frank Corridon TED Z Last edited by tedzan; 11-21-2014 at 10:45 AM. Reason: Correct typo. |
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Can you tell me if the ink is black or dark olive green? Thank you
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T205 Drum or Hindu
Very serious about purchasing a T205 Drum of Hindu. If any leads, please contact me at: brucerothsteindds3@gmail.com
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