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Posted By: Al Crisafulli
I think it's kinda cool. It's not for me, but it's kinda cool. Just another business concept. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
The big difference between this and Monopoly is that you stand to lose real money with this "diversion". At least I don't think anyone here plays Monopoly for real money. |
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Posted By: Al Crisafulli
I understand that, Jay, but I also think that with any business that sells things, a certain level of responsibility lies with the consumer to make educated decisions about how they spend their money. |
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Posted By: Richard Masson
Wouldn't it be easier to just make side bets on SMR price changes every month? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I agree with Mike that the network54 board is not his target audience but also agree with Richard that too many things can go wrong here. The real target audience probably knows very little about baseball cards, and that is the problem right there. I'm going to predict in the short run this company will entice a large number of clients but the enterprise will ultimately come to an unhappy ending. |
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Posted By: Joann
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Posted By: warshawlaw
You can securitize almost anything; remember when David Bowie issued securities on the future royalties of his music? |
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Posted By: T206Collector
I appreciate the citations. |
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Posted By: BcD
he prints th e stuff! |
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Posted By: Lee Plummer
As a member of both eTopps and CT, just wanted to chime in and give an opinion based on the target audience. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I make less money than anyone ont his board except for the teenagers and my meger salary is not an excess to keep from buying cards. You say you do this to buy bits and pieces of a card until you can actually afford the whole thing. Why not just buy t206 or 33 Goudey commons. You wille ventually ahve enough to sell off and buy a big ticket card. You will most likely get a better return and you will certainly have much more liquid market for those cards than you would for imaginary bits of a card. You also get to hold some real cards in your had rather imagine what it would be like to hold 33 Goudey Ruth. I can do that without having to pay someone money. |
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Posted By: Lee Plummer
I do happen to own a t206 of Emil Batch, several 51 Topps Red Backs, but the bulk of my collection is from 70 on up. I am also working on a 68 Topps set in PSA 8 or better. My problem is not so much funds, but the fact I collect in set form. Putting $10+ a week into say the graded 39 Williams will not keep me from buying other cards. However, dropping $900 to $1500 for an ungraded one would, and for quite some time. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I am known as the King of the Crappy Commons and those are actually some of the better looking cards I own |
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Posted By: The Golden Ticket
The beginning of this idea was for 15 investors to put forth some money while being guaranteed at least enough shares to cover more then 25% of each IPO. That is why no votes can occur unless 75% or more vote on it. I know I was part of the beta group. The idea behind this market was to make liquid funds for everyone involved. We are up to $25,000 soon to be at $33,800. We will use this money to fund the eTopps booth at the National show this year since eTopps has pulled all funding. We hope to find some nice “RAW” cards while there which we can have graded and make more liquid assets. I hope people on this board see the potential we are trying to share with you on how to make easy free money. |
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Posted By: dstudeba
Free money....no records...sounds like a lot of businesses and business people in the Bahamas...HAHA! |
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Posted By: The Golden Ticket
http://forums.etopps.com/etoppsForum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=70133&whichpage=1 |
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Posted By: jay behrens
"...an easy way to make free money." |
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Posted By: The Golden Ticket
The last page of that post is the best. It talks about how the investors and owners of CTM feel about this site and it's users. Now really, have any of you passed the bar or is their post correct that you are all just beginning law students? |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
"If I believe in the profitability of Microsoft the reason I buy shares is that I can't afford the whole company, and it's probably not for sale." |
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Posted By: leon
On this board when we are talking about this kind of stuff it is mandatory to put your first and last name. I am not sure if your question about "are they really lawyers" was tongue in cheek or not. My guess is that we have approximately 150-200 "real" lawyers that visit this board each day. That is what our last poll showed...24% were lawyers and there are approximately 800 folks a day on this board currently. Certainly not all post but I do get a count of hits and unique IP's. On the weekends there are about 850 so that is the number I use. During the week the count is higher as folks go from work to home and login....now back to your name. If you don't care to post it then please don't post anymore in this thread....It's just the rules...best regards |
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Posted By: The Golden Ticket
The name is Vernon Brittingham. I am a marketing representative for Sams Club. I ask because when I first read this thread I was under the understanding that you guys knew the legal aspects of this idea. Then I read the thread on their board and they made you all out to be a bunch of Clowns. I was just looking for any information as to how to find out the information listed above in my post. Owners, addresses, insurance papers. The owners of that site refuse to give the information to anyone. They would not even disclose the bank the cards were kept in claiming that it may cause the bank to get robbed. I also have a fax and telephone if you need further proof of who I am. |
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Posted By: leon
All I wanted was to know who you are..We are good.....Believe me we have folks coming on here making wild accusations and if the maker of those accusations remained anonymous how could the board be taken seriously? 99.99% of the folks on this board are good, honest folks....even the lawyers . There are a lot of them that's for sure.....I think lawyers, doctors, business owners, and professors/educators were the top professions on the board in the last poll....Personally I sell technology for a living.....thanks for your understanding and by all means continue to post....regards |
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Posted By: Josh K.
Though I have remained silent as to the securities issues because Im not a securities lawyer, I am one of the many actual lawyers on this board - if anyone, including the clowns trashing lawyers over at CT or Etopps want to know whehter I graduated law school, passed a bar exam, clerked for the Supreme Court of North Carolina or anything else about me when I post a legal opinion, go to my firm website and look me up. www.maupintaylor.com |
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Posted By: Vernon Brittingham
So no-one knows how to find the information on the company or how to assure the cards are where and what they say? |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I don't think too many members of this board are all the concerned with this company since it is not something the vast majority of us would ever get involved with. If eTopps pulled their backing and you are having this much trouble finding out anything about this company that would give you confidence in it, I'd say you'd best run as far and fast from this operation as possible. |
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Posted By: bobbie
Hi, I would just like to take a minute to explain from the Buyers side. I have been buying and selling etopps cards for about 3 years. (without holding hundreds of cards) Cardtarget offered us a site to quickly (one click) without an ebay auction to buy and sell our cards. We would have an account where our money would be kept if we wanted to remove it at any time we could(also one click) I guess thats why we trust mike with our money. I have had no problem with there banking. As far as the cardtarget shares right now I have Basicly transfered my etopps cards into shares of what I consider to be better cards. I only have about $500.00 worth, by investing about 430.00 and if I decide to get out tomorow there are many buyers offers. I would make about 475.00 on a quick sell like this but for many of us this is much better then what we are used to with etopps. Plus in the future we will vote to sell the card and devide it's sale bu the shares and many of us feel the value will be enough to make us a little money. I know it must be hard for most people who are not used to dealing with virtual cards but I just thought i would try to explain a little where were coming from. Also i would like to add that since cardtarget started this project I have gained alot of interest in the lower grade cards and bought some. Thats what brought me to this forum in the first place. My stupid question about my first cracker jack card. I have started a little collection of old cards and am sure I'll buy more. This can't be bad advertising for the vintage card market. I'm sure this type of market is not for everyone but it can be alot of fun for some of us and it really does draw alot of interest in some great cards that many of us have never even looked into before. Thanks! |
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Posted By: dennis
i have read the pros of this concept. i just don't get it. i can not get by the fact that anyone would want to own a share of a card? or a card only on an internet site? etopps is a bust. to say that this does not appeal to everyone is an understatement? |
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Posted By: T206Collector
...you could have purchased on ebay last week for under $475, i.e., that you could have owned outright, as opposed to virtually. |
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Posted By: bobbie
Sure that would be nice to own one of them but please also realize I spent the money over the last 5 weeks, Besides those cards made me interested in real vintage cards. At least my option to sell off quickly and buy somthing else on ebay is there. I do this quite a bit. I see somthing I want on ebay and sell enough virtual cards to pay the bill. I just check the items I can make the best deal with and sell them. I don't mean to bash items in hand By any means, i have alot of things. I have a great Mantle BB that I get out and look at quite a bit, I was just trying to show the ability to sell at any time if you need the money or someone posts an offer you like. |
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Posted By: steve f
What's to prevent CT from selling shares of a hijacked scanned card? With them e-cards at least Topps has some history. |
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Posted By: bobbie
Realy nothing other then we have the links to where they were purchased and like I said many of us have had thousands of dollars in accounts with them for a long time. I'm sure if you checked there message boards you would find some very large dealers involved with cardtarget for a very long time. They use cardtarget to automacilly buy etopps cards at a price they have preset into the system and then have thousands shipped for sale in there shops and on ebay. Say a card online is worth about $5.00 they put a buy price at 3.50 then someone who wants to sell quick sells to them then they take inhand and sell in there store for sometimes much more. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
...your not putting down $500 before doing some research. What I would recommend is finding a vintage set that you like, and then tracking sales of those cards in SGC holders on ebay. You will come to understand the market for those cards, and then can start bidding on them. I would also recommend that you start with lesser dollar cards so that you can acquire a good understanding of what those cards look like in person -- so as to avoid fakes, trim jobs, etc. |
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Posted By: bobbie
well I saw somthing to take a chance with on ebay and bought it tonight. When the cards come I'll have to send some good scans and see what people think. I'll only have a few days after they arrive to send them back. I'm kinda worried about them but I guess us virtual card people are used to taking chances and acting on spur of the moment decisions |
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Posted By: steve f
cut n paste the auction here for us to have a looksee. |
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Posted By: bobbie
Heres the pictures. I tried to checkout a few on the old cardboard site. They looked like nice cards, I can't wait to get them in my hands and check them out. |
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Posted By: bobbie
oh by the way the players names are : |
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Posted By: Zach Rice
Sorry to break it to you, but all of those cards are fake aka reprints. |
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Posted By: leon
all of them....good luck |
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Posted By: steve f
counterfeits |
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Posted By: bobbie
you can tell that quickly just from the pictures? |
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Posted By: leon
YES |
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Posted By: Joann
Anyone else's heart kind of sink as soon as you saw the scans? |
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Posted By: bobbie
What would you do? This guy is trying to pass them off as real tobacco advertising cards. I have not paid him so maybe I won't. I've never not paid for somthing on ebay and have about 2400 feedback rating, so what could they do? |
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Posted By: leon
Just point him to this board and tell him they are fakes and you don't want them....any questions have that seller email me....I will explain further....you should NEVER have to pay for something that you are buying, when it is purported as real, and isn't..... |
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Posted By: dstudeba
Don't pay, take your neg, and feel fortunate that you got off lightly. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
would you guys like to see some of his auctions? I feel pretty stupid but there were about 9 or 10 auctions some over $500. The ones with star players etc. |
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Posted By: dstudeba
No, we see too many of these auctions already. |
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Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}
All Fake! |
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock
This is really unfortunate. The amount of time it took us to determine if those cards were fake could be measured in nanoseconds - not because we are forensic experts, although a couple of us probably are, but just because we have been around the block a few times. |
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