SGC what exactly is the Guarantee, nothing, they deffered me to FBI

[Republicaninmass]

I no longer see any allusion to SGC standing for Sportscard Guarantee Company.
Have the just become 3 letters?

With the recent advent of the trimmed Hornsby, what guarantee will be granted?

What about the t206 fogeries? Is SGC or whomever footing the bill?

My experience Includes a signed t206 which was proven to be a forgery. After going back and forth thr SGC they stated

"
As forgery is a federal offense, it is common that the FBI becomes involved to achieve restitution from the forger. In this particular case, there is an open FBI investigation, and we recommend that any parties involved reach out to that organization directly."

So their guarantee doesnt guarantee squat.

Also, their "new grading scale" I will be posting a PSA 8 card slightly MC on the back, which was graded.....an SGC 4!

I will no longer be doing business with them on any scale

[pclpads]

They guarantee to accept your money for grading and then guarantee that your slabbed card will likely sell for less than the same in a PSA slab.

[bnorth]

The Guaranty is that they do a way better and more consistent job that any other company. Personally I believe they do.

No comment on the autograph side other than thank everything good they closed it down.

[ullmandds]

Right ben...sgc historically has been much more consistent and accurate than PSA. Why are we starting a thread over one card in an SGC holder and not a thread about PSA?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I no longer see any allusion to SGC standing for Sportscard Guarantee Company.
Have the just become 3 letters?

With the recent advent of the trimmed Hornsby, what guarantee will be granted?

What about the t206 fogeries? Is SGC or whomever footing the bill?

There have been over 100 PSA altered cards exposed over the last several days and you call out SGC on their name?

Where is the "Professional" PSA?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I no longer see any allusion to SGC standing for Sportscard Guarantee Company.
Have the just become 3 letters?

With the recent advent of the trimmed Hornsby, what guarantee will be granted?

What about the t206 fogeries? Is SGC or whomever footing the bill?

It's right on the website still, unless I am missing something.



SGC guarantees that all cards submitted shall be graded by SGC grading and authentication experts in accordance with SGC grading procedures. In the event the owner of an SGC card believes that the card has been overgraded with respect to such procedures, the owner may resubmit the card to SGC for a review of the assigned grade.

If the grade determined under such review is lower than that originally assigned to the card, SGC shall, at SGC's discretion, either replace the card or pay the difference between the current fair market value of the card at the newly established grade and the current fair market value of the grade originally assigned to such card, in the form of either cash or grading credit. Due to the volatile nature of the sportscard market and Internet auctions/sales, the selling prices in these auctions do not necessarily represent the current fair market value of any particular sportscard. SGC will determine the current fair market value of a card which is assigned a lower grade on review, based upon what SGC believes to be reliable current market information. Clerical errors with respect to the description or grade of the card(s) which would be obvious upon inspection shall not be subject to the SGC guarantee stated herein.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

There have been over 100 PSA altered cards exposed over the last several days and you call out SGC on their name?



Where is the "Professional" PSA?

Feel free to start your own thread or keep to the 3 you are already posting in. Guaranty...

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I no longer see any allusion to SGC standing for Sportscard Guarantee Company.
Have the just become 3 letters?

With the recent advent of the trimmed Hornsby, what guarantee will be granted?

What about the t206 fogeries? Is SGC or whomever footing the bill?

I went and pulled 4 different era SGC graded cards from my collection and they all have the "Sportscard Guaranty" on the slab. The 2 older ones do have a slogan that reads "Consistent Grading Guaranteed". Like I posted before I believe they are by far the best at that.

I have no idea on the other stuff.

[whitehse]

I have been working on a 56 Topps baseball set with the only intention being to purchase the Hall of Famers in graded form. I am loving buying the card and not the grade for this set as I am finding the SGC cards, especially with the new slab are under graded and far cheaper than their PSA counterpart.

I am getting a nicer card for a far lesser price. Sure, I may not pull PSA money when it comes time to sell but that will be my wife's issue not mine.

I am good with buying SGC cards even without the word Guaranty spelled out on the flip.

[Throttlesteer]

They guaranty the new population report is coming soon....no really it is this time.

[Republicaninmass]

I poked around on the site and found where Peter mentioned the guaranty and the existing name. I have 100 cards at PSA and 6 at sgc for full disclosure

I found this one PSAs site, but maybe autos are guaranteed by psa/dna? I didnt see any caveat on sgcs guaranty.

*(from PSA) "the Guarantee applies only to the grade assigned to the card and does not apply to the authenticity of any autograph nor the grade assigned to any autograph"


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[Zan]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I no longer see any allusion to SGC standing for Sportscard Guarantee Company.
Have the just become 3 letters?

With the recent advent of the trimmed Hornsby, what guarantee will be granted?

What about the t206 fogeries? Is SGC or whomever footing the bill?

Link to the trimmed card?

[Jobu]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe in an old thread about this someone said that SGC would not honor their guarantee for things that they graded too long ago. Sound right to anyone?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe in an old thread about this someone said that SGC would not honor their guarantee for things that they graded too long ago. Sound right to anyone?

The current owner will not guarantee cards from the previous owner is my understanding. This makes perfect sense to me.

[jp1216]

Love that 1959 Topps Ted Williams...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jp1216

Love that 1959 Topps Ted Williams...

Me too, it is the first card in the set after all. I would say what I traded for it but nobody would believe me.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe in an old thread about this someone said that SGC would not honor their guarantee for things that they graded too long ago. Sound right to anyone?

Wow. Really? If you buy a company, you buy it's baggage.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by conor912

Wow. Really? If you buy a company, you buy it's baggage.

No kidding, but as it suits your own personal agenda...it makes sense

[Republicaninmass]

My experience Includes a signed t206 which was proven to be a forgery. After going back and forth thr SGC they stated*

"
As forgery is a federal offense, it is common that the FBI becomes involved to achieve restitution from the forger. In this particular case, there is an open FBI investigation, and we recommend that any parties involved reach out to that organization directly."

So their guarantee doesnt guarantee squat.*

Also, their "new grading scale" I will be posting a PSA 8 card slightly MC on the back, which was graded.....an SGC 4!*I will post the card when it arrives. SGC must just be tougher right?


I will no longer be doing business with them on any scale

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

My experience Includes a signed t206 which was proven to be a forgery. After going back and forth thr SGC they stated*

"
As forgery is a federal offense, it is common that the FBI becomes involved to achieve restitution from the forger. In this particular case, there is an open FBI investigation, and we recommend that any parties involved reach out to that organization directly."

So their guarantee doesnt guarantee squat.*

Also, their "new grading scale" I will be posting a PSA 8 card slightly MC on the back, which was graded.....an SGC 4!*I will post the card when it arrives. SGC must just be tougher right?


I will no longer be doing business with them on any scale

A page out of the PSA WIWAG response.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

My experience Includes a signed t206 which was proven to be a forgery. After going back and forth thr SGC they stated*

"
As forgery is a federal offense, it is common that the FBI becomes involved to achieve restitution from the forger. In this particular case, there is an open FBI investigation, and we recommend that any parties involved reach out to that organization directly."

So their guarantee doesnt guarantee squat.*

Also, their "new grading scale" I will be posting a PSA 8 card slightly MC on the back, which was graded.....an SGC 4!*I will post the card when it arrives. SGC must just be tougher right?


I will no longer be doing business with them on any scale

Wait, What?! So then any auto they authenticate that turns out to be bad is the feds' problem? What kind of upside down bizarro world BS is that?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by conor912

Wait, What?! So then any auto they authenticate that turns out to be bad is the feds' problem? What kind of upside down bizarro world BS is that?

Yep, per Tyler at SGC that is their stance . The buck (herzog) stops there

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by conor912

Wait, What?! So then any auto they authenticate that turns out to be bad is the feds' problem? What kind of upside down bizarro world BS is that?

Not the feds' problem, the buyer's problem.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not the feds' problem, the buyer's problem.

Jeez. That would be like finding out a PSA card is trimmed and having them tell you to go after the seller.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by conor912

Jeez. That would be like finding out a PSA card is trimmed and having them tell you to go after the seller.

Worse no? Cant imagine the FBI brings restitution to people, though I have been wrong before

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[conor912]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Worse no? Cant imagine the FBI brings restitution to people, though I have been wrong before

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There are much more crucial things that the government can't be relied on for. I can't imagine restitution for baseball cards being very high on the list.

What a strange time we're living (and collecting) in. Accountability and personal responsibility have flown the coop everywhere we look. Spin, deny, blame, repeat.

[Scott L.]

FBI: "Federal Bureau of Investigation main switchboard may I help you?"

Teddy: "Yes Hi I'd like to speak to someone about getting my money back on a fake Buck Herzog autograph I purchased that was guaranteed authentic"

FBI: "Oh I know right where to send you....hold please."

Probably will go down just like that.

[Republicaninmass]

Lol it wasn't a Herzog, but I get it! I was flabbergasted it was their response and I'm curious if anyone else has had this response dealing with the t206 signed cards

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by conor912

There are much more crucial things that the government can't be relied on for. I can't imagine restitution for baseball cards being very high on the list.

What a strange time we're living (and collecting) in. Accountability and personal responsibility have flown the coop everywhere we look. Spin, deny, blame, repeat.

We have a job for you in crisis management.

[Republicaninmass]

Crossover special, will they review their OWN cards?

They asked me to crack it out, send them the flip, and they would reimburse the grading fee

[Bigdaddy]

If they won't guarantee a signature they authenticated, then what good is the flip?

Why not just put the sig/card in a toploader, tape it shut, and put either a big smiley face or frowny face sticker on it and call it a day? Save yourself the grading fee, postage both ways and the long wait.

Hey wait a minute, I think I might start selling these 'grade-the-card/sig yourself' kits to the collecting public. Mark it, this is my public disclosure and the basis of my patent application and business plan.

[Republicaninmass]

I believe the auction houses had reimbursed some buyers and were going to pursue sgc

[egbeachley]

Maybe I’m missing something. But is this any different than getting in a car accident? First you must attempt to get repairs paid for by the party at fault and then, if that fails, you run a claim through insurance.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Maybe I’m missing something. But is this any different than getting in a car accident? First you must attempt to get repairs paid for by the party at fault and then, if that fails, you run a claim through insurance.

Did the party have a guaranty stated on the side of their car they'd pay if found 100% at fault?

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[steve B]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Maybe I’m missing something. But is this any different than getting in a car accident? First you must attempt to get repairs paid for by the party at fault and then, if that fails, you run a claim through insurance.

Around here, we have mandatory insurance, so you just get a police report(helps avoid fraudulent claims, helps, not prevents) And let the insurance companies sort it out.

If you don't think it's your fault, you can have a hearing.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Did the party have a guaranty stated on the side of their car they'd pay if found 100% at fault?

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I would say “Yes”. That’s what insurance is for. But you have to at least attempt remediation first. Heck, even with a credit card chargeback they ask if you attempted to get resolution first.

So don’t be an ass. It’s a legit question to the issue and completely unlike your grandstanding.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

I would say “Yes”. That’s what insurance is for. But you have to at least attempt remediation first. Heck, even with a credit card chargeback they ask if you attempted to get resolution first.



So don’t be an ass. It’s a legit question to the issue and completely unlike your grandstanding.

Just to poke a hole in your inane analogy, they asked me to go to the FBI, not the seller. Again I ask, grandstanding, on my soap box if you will

What is their guaranty, to which you seem to have no answer to add, just some internet wiseguy posturing

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[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Just to poke a hole in your inane analogy, they asked me to go to the FBI, not the seller. Again I ask, grandstanding, on my soap box if you will

What is their guaranty, to which you seem to have no answer to add, just some internet wiseguy posturing

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I don’t know what their guaranty is? Maybe you will find out when it is time to make a claim after the evidence is documented. Then tell us.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

I don’t know what their guaranty is? Maybe you will find out when it is time to make a claim after the evidence is documented. Then tell us.

Great, thanks for stopping by, kindly see yourself out of my thread

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[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Great, thanks for stopping by, kindly see yourself out of my thread

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Certainly, now that we know that you don’t like the idea of preserving evidence in potential Federal investigations.

Since this is my last post here do everyone a favor and fix the spelling of your original post. So ignorant.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Just to poke a hole in your inane analogy, they asked me to go to the FBI, not the seller. Again I ask, grandstanding, on my soap box if you will

What is their guaranty, to which you seem to have no answer to add, just some internet wiseguy posturing

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They could have told you to send it back and they could erase the ink for you.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Certainly, now that we know that you don’t like the idea of preserving evidence in potential Federal investigations.



Since this is my last post here do everyone a favor and fix the spelling of your original post. So ignorant.

Grammar police, sheer genius. " Dont go away mad, just go away"

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