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Very interesting reading
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Greg, Any of these folks in the card business? |
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Posted By: Jim Crandell
I saw this earlier today. The articles are certainly making the rounds--four people have forwarded it to me today. |
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Very interesting reading
Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Hal, |
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Posted By: Dylan
anyone want to summerize the articles? |
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Very interesting reading
Posted By: leon
A couple points. I think JP Cohen is one of the owners of Memory Lane, if it's the same person. I got a call a few minutes ago from another board member about this article and he asked if he should post it. I told him I didn't think so though I would allow it. Honestly, for the most part, I would prefer to leave personal issues out of the board. If this was hobby related it would be different. I won't censor, delete or ban for it but really....do all of us want our personal lives brought up on the board? I have said publicly that I was convicted of drug charges in 1986. I went to prison for 5 1/2 months on a 3 yr sentence. I got what I deserved and paid the price. I think I do a lot of good stuff and know I made huge mistakes before. It's what people do after those mistakes that make the person, imho. I would prefer to leave our personal lives off of the board....thanks much... |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
I can hardly think of anything more material than finding out that an auctioneer had a past life as a swindler. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
With due respect, IF this is the same J.P. Cohen affiliated with Memory Lane, I would think a guilty plea by a person now running a major auction house to charges of telemarketing fraud (including fraudulently collecting moneys from people under pretenses that they were charitable contributions for sick kids) might be relevant to people's decisions whether or not to do business with said auction house. Just my opinion, confined to the relevance of the post and not expressing any views on the underlying facts. |
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Posted By: Dave
He is also a regular board member here....I would imagine you'll hear exactly how he feels. |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
Assuming this is the same J.P. Cohen... |
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Posted By: paulstratton
It makes me wonder what else this guy might do to make a few extra $. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Leon- what you did 20 years ago is long in the past and has nothing to do with who you are today. If the person cited is the part owner of Memory Lane, then that is in the present and is worth making known. |
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Posted By: leon
Like I said...it's only my opinion.....I have been lone person out many times.... It's "our" forum so, so be it..... |
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Posted By: Jim Crandell
Dave, |
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Posted By: Bob
Leon- I acknowledge your point but see a world of difference between your situation and JP's. Your actions harmed only yourself and constituted, in my eyes at least, a victimless crime, I don't have much sympathy for anyone who preys on others, if this is indeed the same J.P. Cohen. I think I am a very non-judgmental person, at least I hope I am, and try to find something good in everyone in life but it is harder for me to be compassionate about something Enronish than about a person who makes a bad decision which results in a victimless crime. |
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Posted By: Dave
I maybe wrong....I could have sworn I've seen him posting here in the past...I was actually just trying to run back through old threads a few minutes ago....maybe somebody can either confirm or rule out that... |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Jim, |
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Posted By: Jim Crandell
He is certainly not a regular here and I never recall reading a post buy him in the time I have been on Net 54. |
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Posted By: leon
So be it...and I do see ya'lls points. My issue (20 yrs ago) and his are 2 very different ones. There is a JP that posts on the board but it's not Cohen. Stealing is dispicable and if from a charity it's that much worse...so I am with ya'll on that. Even us "druggies" have a code of ethics.... |
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Posted By: Bobby Binder
So Leon what was your drug of choice? Was it for personal use or did you distribute. Just wondering if that is how you financed your card addictions or just thinking about how many more cards you might of had instead:-) |
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Posted By: Dave
Either way...looks like we are off the topic of just good old cards for awhile again....ha ha |
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Posted By: Eric Everett
What I found interesting was the fact Mr. Gold hired his daughter's boyfriend, JP, at the age of 15 and he was soon his best employee. Meaning he was a great con at 15. I don't know about anyone here but if I was offered 5 figures at the age of 15 and had upside down priorities (which many 15 year olds do) I might just have done the same thing. Imagine the money and possessions and feeling of social superiority snowballing from that age (15!!). Now fast forward 10 years, and this guy now wants to use some obvious gifts legally to build his own business. Enter Memory Lane. He's done his time, hopefully learned a lot, and wants to move on with his life. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
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Posted By: Jim Crandell
Eric, |
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Posted By: Eric Everett
I stand corrected, 20 years not 10. Makes a bit of a difference in my little story doesn't it? |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
edited for being posted in wrong thread |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
I guess the obvious things someone could infer from all of this are: |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
I think we should reserve judgment until we have heard (if we are going to hear) both sides of the story. I think the post is fair game for the reasons I previously stated in response to Leon, but at the same time it is too early to infer anything. Hal is right that those things certainly could be of potential concern, but let's not convict anyone yet of new charges. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Well, if it's the same guy, what is the other side to the story? That he is innocent of all the allegations in the article? That he does not commit fraud in his present business? What else is he supposed to say other than, "that was me a long time ago, it's not me today." |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Greg Schwartz is now my hero! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
If you had made a lot of illegal money and needed to launder it, wouldn't rare baseball cards be a good place to put it? Seems like a possible connection here (I know I have no evidence, I am just speculating). |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Charlie, |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Greg, |
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Posted By: James Feagin
So is this JP Cohen around 34-35 years of age? |
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Posted By: Joann
If it's the same person, then the background is relevant to this forum given that Memory Lane is currently an active auctioneer and many forum readers do business there. |
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Posted By: Rhys
IF this is the same guy, we are not just talking about stuff that happened 20 years ago. The article says he was indicted on golf club telemarketing fraud AFTER 2001 which would make this fraud ongoing up until less than 5 years ago when he went to prison. I dont know him and am not making any comments about him personally, but IF it is him, this is really bad stuff. |
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Posted By: David Smith
What is the old saying about either a Leopard and it's spots or a Tiger and it's stripes??? |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Memory lane is located in Tustin, CA and the telemarketing scam took place in Santa Ana, CA. Anyone know how close those cities are to each other? |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
About ONE MILE. |
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Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)
Are we sure that this is the same person. Has anyone called Memory Lane? |
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Posted By: David Smith
Henry, |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
Two guys named "JP Cohen" within a mile of each other. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
If I'm not mistaken one of the articles referred to Adam Cohen--JP's brother. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Then it's him. Too many coincidences. |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
In November 1998, the FTC filed a complaint against the above-named defendants, J.P. Cohen (a defendant not part of the settlement package), and the corporate entities through which they did business, U.S. Marketing and North American Charitable Services, Inc. The FTC alleged that in telephone scripts, "thank you" letters, and brochures sent to donors, the defendants and their subcontractors misrepresented that consumers' donations would benefit local purposes - such as holiday parties for sick children in local hospitals - and misrepresented that consumers' donations would support particular programs - such as buying wheelchairs for veterans. According to the FTC, most donations did not support a charitable purpose but instead funded the nationwide telemarketing operation and lined the defendants' pockets. In some instances, the defendants never paid the nonprofits, but simply kept all the money raised in their names. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Despicable!! |
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Posted By: leon
I can barely imagine anything worse except some physical abuses. |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
We should probably suspend judgement until we know for sure this is the same JP Cohen, in spite of how obvious it appears that it is. |
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Posted By: paulstratton
Ugh...from bad to worse. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Guilt by association is not fair. I don't think it's fair to drag the friend into this. |
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