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Any law that purports to solve the issue needs to be explicit enough to not allow someone’s ignorance (or political agenda) to take advantage of the lack of specificity. And it is that lack of specificity that is causing local schools to over-react and pull things off the shelves that rational people can agree should be there. Because, those local school teachers and administrators have a whole host of parents that they are on a first name basis with that they know are spoiling for a fight, rationality be damned. And those teachers and administrators know that no one from the state political apparatus will back them up. They are on their own. Quote:
It is completely mute on that point. For giggles, Google “school board meeting CRT” and read a few articles. There are plenty of them. This law does nothing to resolve that. In fact, I would bet it will only make things worse for the reason I state above. Quote:
My prediction is that this law isn't going to solve the problem is purports to solve. We are going to spend the next two years hearing about School Boards Gone Wild over what is being taught in schools. Each and every one of those stories will be a nice in-kind donation to Ron DeSantis' nascent Presidential campaign. |
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Here's your chosen section: (d) Require, when appropriate to the comprehension of 330 students, that materials for social science, history, or civics 331 classes contain the Declaration of Independence and the 332 Constitution of the United States. A reviewer may not recommend 333 any instructional materials that contain any matter reflecting 334 unfairly upon persons because of their race, color, creed, 335 national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, disability, 336 socioeconomic status, or occupation or otherwise contradict the 337 principles enumerated under s. 1003.42(3). First, what definition do you need for "person"? It's incredibly obvious what a person means, no? That's an objection? Where does it say anyone cannot observe that Bull Connor was a racist, or teach that? It says they cannot recommend instructional material that reflect unfairly on any person specifically because of their race. "Bull Connor was a racist and did X, Y, Z" is just fine. "Bull Connor was a terrible person and a racist because he was white" would be banned. This section does not say what you are claiming it does, not even close. I get some people are really upset by this law, but dealing with what it actually says makes for a much better argument than making blatantly false claims about the text. Quote:
The left would be much better served by not playing into Desantis' hand and making wildly false claims about a bill that pushes an anti-racism angle and bans open advocacy of racism in the classroom to try and kill it. The whole point on their side is that this bill is a very liberal approach - just without a clause exempting teaching racism towards whites while still banning it against every other race. This is why I am having a hard time seeing anything wrong in the actual bill (not leftist op-ed's), it's a liberal take of a liberal value to not allow teaching racism and prejudice (again, it very, very directly bans advocacy, and advocacy only) to children. |
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i am all for opposing views but opposing views when there is really no thought and just reliance on media or op ed who dont actually read the laws makes it hard to view an opposing view.. |
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This one is short and direct. It takes 10 minutes at most to read. Those who have read it struggle to find anything specific to attack and still choose to follow op-ed claims instead that are demonstrably false, or to even go so far as to dismiss a reason based standard entirely because they cannot find what is unreasonable and actually in the bill. The only giveaway that this was written by Republicans instead of Democrats is the “any race”; only that there’s no carve out to not protect whites like every other race. |
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In sum, I think we are each talking about a different topic. While you are talking about what is within the four walls of the bill, I am talking about what happens out in the wild as a result of the bill. You are asking "Does this sound reasonable?" and I am asking "how can someone abuse this bill in service to some other agenda?" I am not sure how we reconcile that. |
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Your post is quoted right before the comment. I will quote again: "And it is that lack of specificity that is causing local schools to over-react and pull things off the shelves that rational people can agree should be there". I don't know what this is in reference too, because the books in this thread were not pulled off the shelves or banned. Again, nobody can cite any evidence these books have. What Jackie Robinson book has been pulled from the shelves? The one claimed in this thread turned out to be easily debunked fake news. Quote:
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A ban is an "official or legal prohibition." A ban says *these* books cannot be in your classroom. What we are seeing is educators, because they have no clear guidance, voluntarily (albeit reluctantly) pulling anything even tangentially related to the topic off the shelf. Quote:
In the United States, a heckler's veto is a situation in which a party who disagrees with a speaker's message is able to unilaterally trigger events that result in the speaker being silenced. For example, a heckler can disrupt a speech to the point that the speech is canceled. Quote:
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This has nothing to do with race at all. According to this article, this book was removed after a complaint (which was not even actually filed) that it had a pornographic scene. Proponents of the book say it is a non-arousing rape scene. It's been a number of years since I've read it (I like Morrison), but incest, rape, and child molestation are an integral part of the story and its metaphor and I cannot fathom how it would be considered pornographic. Pornography, what the article states is the reason, appears once in the bill: 320 1003.41. Instructional materials recommended by each reviewer 321 shall be, to the satisfaction of each reviewer, accurate, 322 objective, balanced, noninflammatory, current, free of 323 pornography and material prohibited under s. 847.012, and suited 324 to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material 325 presented. Reviewers shall consider for recommendation materials 326 developed for academically talented students, such as students 327 enrolled in advanced placement courses. I see no way a reasonable person could read this book, consider it obscene pornography under 847, and thus subject to ban from a high school. The students protesting the ban will surely win out here, as the law clearly does not in fact ban this. I have no issue with the bill banning pornography from schools. I suppose it is good that of the 3 books named in this thread, 1 actually has been removed from a school and only 2 were complete fake news! This superintendent overreacted, clearly did not read the law, and will surely regret it. |
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Briefly summarized: "Indeed, Florida has required its schools to teach African American history since 1994, long before the recent push in many states to move toward a more complete telling of the country’s story. The stated goal at the time was to introduce the Black experience to a generation of young people." "But nearly three decades later, advocates say many Florida schools are failing to teach that history. Only 11 of the state’s 67 county school districts meet all of the benchmarks for teaching Black history set by the African American History Task Force, a state board created to help school districts abide by the mandate. Many schools only cover the topic during Black History Month in February, said Bernadette Kelley-Brown, the principal investigator for the task force. “The idea that every Florida student learns African American history, it’s not reality,” Kelley-Brown said. “Some districts don’t even realize it’s required instruction.” Also the 'review' of books and material results in a de facto ban, until further explicit direction is given. School boards, teachers, and administrators are threatened with civil and criminal sanctions for violations. At this point, ONE person can object to ANY perceived indiscretion to trigger investigation. While the law as written seems 'common sense' and innocuous, the consistent rhetoric from the governor and 'parent groups' indicate the real-life intent of application.
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CNN...LMAO
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Irv, I've got some startling news for you. This dog isn't sniffing the other one's butt.....
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Thats close enough for facebook and twitter.
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i also feel that with the failure rates in math and other subject areas in many of the states where the media or other criticism is coming from is so low, why not half the outrage on that versus a 'Clemente' outrage... the more kids learn real school skills and be educated the more they will have the tools to deal with some of the hardships of life due to many areas.. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 02-14-2023 at 12:52 PM. |
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Nakedly transparent racism. Yup. And it will somehow be defended on this board.
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I was addicted to Brian Williams/Rachel Maddow MSNBC for a while just because it was so unashamedly biased that it was a huge source of entertainment for me. Watching them cover Trump's win over Hillary was special.
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I think that’s what some folks on the right don’t get. I lean left and get a kick out of left leaning news. I don’t take it seriously. It’s a biased joke sometimes. I hope they get a kick out of Fox News but I think they take it seriously. Ironically, Jon Stewart was the last bastion of true news.
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