Anyone familiar with this Ruth card

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

I found this Ruth card on ebay and am not very familiar with it. 

http://tinyurl.com/2r6fnu

Any comments on it would be appreciated.

thanks in advance.

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Posted By: peter ullman

i've never seen one of those...probably a fake. interesting though.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

There's a thread on this card somewhere in the last thirty days or so. Seller had it listed with a scan of a pile of them. Probably 50 or 60. Appears to be a promo for the bar.

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Posted By: peter ullman

if it's vintage...it's pretty cool and has value.

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Posted By: Scott Sarian

Seller added this update to the description:
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card is 3" by 1 5/8" and is being sold AS IS to EBays Standards. Thanks for looking.
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Any time they add the "AS IS" part, that's seller's code for "reprint" in my book.

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Posted By: John S

The font used on the reverse does not appear "1920'ish".

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Posted By: Rob D.

If it is a fake, you've got to like the misspelling of expires. Nice touch.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

It's fake. When you see a questionable card alway look to see what else the seller has up for auction. This guy also has a Fake Wagner card up for sale right now too...artificially colored and aged exactly the same way as the Ruth card.

edited to add: Rob you've never shortened 'expire is' to 'expire's'?

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Posted By: Steve Murray

I found the link to the prior auction I was referring to. See the scans.

http://tinyurl.com/yuo4yb

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Posted By: fkw

Modern fantasy issue. Worthless

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Posted By: Dave Haas

The Ruth face of the card has a straight cut top with no rounded corners, the reverse has 4 rounded corners. Two different cards.

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Posted By: Eric B

I think the front one was cropped incorrectly.

But take a look at the picture of the lot. If fake, they are aged very well. If vintage (printed in the 1920's and all redeemed and tossed to the side and recently recovered), then these prices are way low.

If these are aged fakes, expect to see more.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Look at his other auctions...he's got a fake Wagner up right now.

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Posted By: Keith Conforti

Card is definitely a fake. It's logical to assume this would have been printed in the day as a one color card (black ink) on standard card stock. The forger did a nice job with the only exception that he left the image sepia toned. If it were faded black ink, the type in Ruth's name would match it and they don't. That tells me this was created digitally from an RGB or CMYK image with plain black type beneath.

It is a nice job on the aging, though.

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Posted By: boxingcardman

Looks like someone's kid sister's Easy-Bake Oven was put to good use.

Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: Steve Murray

I know it's not the same card. I directed the board to the previous ebay listing because one of the scans showed a pile of these cards.

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Posted By: fkw

Here is the photo the fantasy card is based on.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BASEBALL-BABE-RUTH-AUTOGRAPH-FACSIMILE-VINTAGE-PHOTO_W0QQitemZ360025498369

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Posted By: Steve

Why on Earth would someone be giving out Yankees cards in Brooklyn?.. A coupon for a free beating

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

is it just me, or does anyone else think it highly unlikely a Bar and Grill would be advertising during Prohibition?

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Posted By: Gary Cieradkowski

Besides the above observation that this was during prohibition...

I am a typography and can pretty much say with 99.9% certainly that the text on the back was typeset on a computer. Would need to see it in person, but the type, the prohibition, and the possibility of a Brooklyn anti-Yankee fan beat down would make this a pretty bad fake.

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Posted By: fkw

If you look at the picture Steve posted above, most of the cards in the picture are not of Ruth, they look like M101-5 reprints.

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Posted By: Eric B

Brooklyn AND Prohibition. Very nice. Sometimes it's the little things you get caught with. But it's still a very nice aging job.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Having seen a lot of old NYC ephemera, my first impression was that a Brooklyn coupon would likely say Brooklyn, not Brooklyn NY. If you look at Brooklyn studio cabinet cards, the photographer's address is in 'Brooklyn' without the NY. This likely was because the studio was used by locals, just as the coupon would be used by locals. Whether the customer was coming from Brooklyn or Manhattan, they didn't need to be told which state Brooklyn was in. As a Seattle resident, a local restaurant coupon doesn't have to remind me that they mean Seattle WA, as opposed to the Seattle in Georgia. Besides, most people in Georgia probably know that Seattle is in Washington and Brooklyn in New York.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

DavidC,
Excellent observation.  When you logically think through all these things, you can come up with quite a few reasons why this card is bogus.. I just see RUTH, 1920s and my eyes get real BIG. I tend to miss a lot of trees because of the forrest.

I am currently in Georgia and am not familiar with Seattle, GA.. (Smyrna, Suwanee) but no Seattle?  I used to live in Seattle, WA.  Well, I actually lived in North Bend.. and worked in Seattle.. well, actually I worked in Renton.. where the hell is Seattle again?  I miss a lot of things about Seattle but not the rain. 

martyOgelvie
nyyankeecards.com

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http://cgi.ebay.com/EXTREMELY-RARE-1...#ht_500wt_1182

I'm assuming (as scans in previous posts have gone bad) that this is the same item?

[fkw]

Yes, and there is also a Gehrig and a Mathewson , and maybe more.