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Old 09-04-2016, 06:13 AM
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Default psa pwcc..hi bidder.r u kidding me?

1958 Topps Mickey Mantle #150 PSA 7 NRMT (PWCC)
look at the price then look at the reverse of the card
amyone notice anything
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Topps-M...kAAOSwxg5XyIT0
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Old 09-04-2016, 06:26 AM
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That is the rare missing print error.LOL On a serious note the flip says it is a PSA 7 and that is all that matters to most. Card in that case really means nothing.
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Old 09-04-2016, 06:31 AM
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Well, the front of the card looks okay..LOL
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Old 09-04-2016, 06:34 AM
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Could be the buyer is gonna have psa relabel it and it could be the next pancho herrera...1 of 1 the only known
Worth 500k?
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Old 09-04-2016, 07:12 AM
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You jest....but, it is more pronounced than the Bakep

If I needed that card anyway, that would not have deterred me. Might have even been an incentive

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Old 09-04-2016, 08:07 AM
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PWCC: Perhaps what's most impressive about this card is the print, color and focus which are all deserving of a higher grade. Among the finer copies in the hobby and deserving of serious attention.
Yeah, right. My guess (as a part-time PSA apologist) is that this card might have been a PSA 9(PD) at one point, and was regraded to a straight 7. PSA should not have done this. They should have given it a PD qualifier.
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Old 09-04-2016, 08:15 AM
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Best guess is the card was chemically treated to remove
Stains and it worked too well
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Old 09-04-2016, 08:44 AM
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You jest....but, it is more pronounced than the Bakep

If I needed that card anyway, that would not have deterred me. Might have even been an incentive
was thinking the same .....

certainly not a mark, and I doubt that a stain was being removed. Perhaps this is a Mantle collector and sees a unigue opportunity to add a Topps flaw to the collection

Not a print mark, but should have been issued a PD qualifier
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Maybe someone was practicing power erasing.
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Best guess is the card was chemically treated to remove
Stains and it worked too well
I don't know what could be used to remove some black and leave the red untouched, even by accident. If it was the other way around sure, but most black inks are really durable. (111 trichloroethane which is now banned will take sharpie and pretty much anything else off of surfaces that aren't porous, never tried it on a card, but it'd probably strip everything )

Nice looking card with a pretty major printing problem. I'm not crazy about the qualifiers, but for something this bad it really makes sense.

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Best guess is the card was chemically treated to remove
Stains and it worked too well
That was how the card was originally printed. Al owns a 1958 #135 Moe Drabowsky that has a similar missing print defect on the back, and there is a 1958 #142 Enos Slaughter on eBay that is missing a large area on the back. The 1958 Mantle is #150, so I think it's safe to say that they were all on the same sheet.

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It looks to me like the card was glued into an album and then removed. The card looks like it has paper loss on the back.
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Old 09-04-2016, 12:29 PM
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I once graded a 1967 Topps Marichal or McCovey that had missing ink on the back similar to the 1958 Mantle and it graded a PSA 9. Most of the missing ink was in the name, bio and cartoon area. I didn't notice the back it until I was pricing the card after it was graded. If I noticed it beforehand I doubt I would have submitted it.

I told people about the card back when they looked at the card at shows and one of the first people to look at the card was excited it had the defect and bought it.

Not everyone looks at cards the same way.
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The 67 Marichal defect is rare but recurring and well know among variations goofballs...like me. It is offered occasionally on ebay. Not so much as a 9

But it is not recognized as a standard hobby variation at this point
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Here is the back of the 1958 Topps Enos Slaughter, it has the same print defect as the 1958 Topps Mickey Mantle and was probably on the same printing sheet. ETA, the back of the 1967 Topps #500 Juan Marichal with a similar print defect. A PSA 9 of that would be worth mucho dinero to the right collector.
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