Super rare UZIT cards of the T206 "Exclusive 12" (460-only series)

[tedzan]

Previously....these enigmatic T206 subjects, which I have identified as the "Exclusive 12", were presented in this thread............
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...t=exclusive+12

Some interesting aspects of these 12 cards are....they appear to have been Double (or Triple) Printed with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 and SOVEREIGN 460 backs with respect
to the other subjects in the 350/460 and 460-only series. These 12 cards are more available than the other subjects that were printed in the 350/460 and 460-only series..

Furthermore, these 12 subjects are the only red HINDU cards in the 460-only series. And, with respect to the 30 red HINDU subjects in the 350/460 series, the Exclusive 12
must have been Double (or Triple) Printed.....as, they are certainly more available than the 350/460 series cards with red HINDU backs.

Mysteriously, the Exclusive 12 were not printed with the LENOX or PIEDMONT 460, factory 42 backs. This fact may provide us a clue as to the timeline of the printing stages
of the Exclusive 12 cards. ?


Regarding the UZIT backs.....to date, only 3 of the Exclusive 12 have been confirmed with the UZIT back. And, recently a rumor of a 4th has been reported. These 3 subjects
are Crandall....Geyer....Sheckard. And, there is a report of a Ford with a UZIT back (but, not yet confirmed).

Eventually, I expect all of the remainig 9 of the Exclusive12 will be confirmed with the UZIT back. The extreme scarcity of the Exclusive 12 with the UZIT back suggests that
there may have been only one press run of them. As American Litho. switched to printing their new Gold-Bordered series of Military Men (T80) cards with UZIT backs in 1911.








TED Z
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LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set
AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[tedzan]

Simulated partial sheet of the Exclusive 12 with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 backs.










TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[atx840]

It's interesting that ALL known test print examples out there come from this group. 8/12 have shown up.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

It's interesting that ALL known test print examples out there come from this group. 8/12 have shown up.

Chris

The images I recognize on those backs are......Crawford, McQuillan, Willis (batting poses), and Lake (no ball), Sweeney (fielding). All 350/460 series guys.

Sooooo, what is this group of cards telling us ?

My first thought is that the American Litho. printer in preparation to do a press run of 350/460 cards, was doing a test on a faulty sheet (backs inverted)
of cards in the Exclusive 12 group.

What's your take ?

And, thanks for posting these cards.



TED Z
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LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[tedzan]

Simulated 12-card strip of the Exclusive 12 with red HINDU backs. These 12 subjects are the only cards in the 460-only series that were printed with the red HINDU back.











TED Z
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LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[deadballfreaK]

Damn. I had the Crandall UZIT years ago and traded it for very little. No idea it was that rare.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by deadballfreaK

Damn. I had the Crandall UZIT years ago and traded it for very little. No idea it was that rare.

Ken, this is interesting because this would mean that there are at least 2 Crandall UZIT known now. Unless I'm mistaken the Crandall UZIT was "unconfirmed" until a few months back when a new collector had one in an old time family collection. Unless, your card made it's way to that collection and it's the same card. I'm working on a Crandall back run, so I follow this card somewhat.

[deadballfreaK]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Ken, this is interesting because this would mean that there are at least 2 Crandall UZIT known now. Unless I'm mistaken the Crandall UZIT was "unconfirmed" until a few months back when a new collector had one in an old time family collection. Unless, your card made it's way to that collection and it's the same card. I'm working on a Crandall back run, so I follow this card somewhat.

I couldn't say where it went. I can say it wasn't in great condition Maybe a 1.5 to 2. I don't know if anybody will believe this, but when I went to the Nationals? in Detroit about 1977-78 I had 2 or 3 T206s. I bought a lot of lower grade T206s for 25 cents apiece. Fair-VG range 100 for $25. In that lot were 4 UZITs and one DRUM. Nobody really cared about backs then. I traded one to a buddy of mine I think for a back that I didn't have. Hope it was at least a Carolina Bright. No idea what player I traded. I was a beginning collector and had no idea UZITs were rare. Hell I had 4 out of a 100. That left me with a Crandall portrait, Schlei portrait and Schlei batting. Seemed odd I had two Schleis and 3 Giants. I traded or sold the Crandall for peanuts somewhere along the line. Sold the Schlei batting for about $350 on ebay at least 10 years ago. Still have the Schlei portrait and my lone Drum of Ira Thomas. Now that I know better I have never acquired another.

[atx840]

I think it is now graded.

[ethicsprof]

great story about the good ole times of the late seventies.
glad to hear that you still have the thomas drum.
great thread, Ted.
how'd you come up with all the uzits and red hindus?!
you've got quite the bank account.
all the best,buddy
barry

[deadballfreaK]

Originally Posted by atx840

I think it is now graded.

Pretty sure that is not the same one I had. It's been a long time, my memory is crap, and there weren't any scanners back then, but I do believe mine had a couple of creases, but a clean back.

[tedzan]

Simulated 12-card strip of the Exclusive 12 with the SOVEREIGN 460 backs. These 12 subjects were printed in larger numbers than the other cards in the 460-only series that
were printed with the SOVEREIGN 460 back.


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TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set
AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[Batjac1]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Ken, this is interesting because this would mean that there are at least 2 Crandall UZIT known now. Unless I'm mistaken the Crandall UZIT was "unconfirmed" until a few months back when a new collector had one in an old time family collection. Unless, your card made it's way to that collection and it's the same card. I'm working on a Crandall back run, so I follow this card somewhat.

I have the Crandall Uzit from my grandfathers collection. I am positive it was not the same one. I have had this card since about 1968. This will probably be the only one I will sell. Looking at REA II in the fall.

It has not yet been graded.

[tedzan]

One more interesting configuration involves the Exclusive 12 with the SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #42 backs. Similar to the red HINDU situation (see Post #5),
these 12 subjects are the only cards in the 460-only series that were printed with the SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #42 back.

Perhaps, these two RED backs were concurrently printed on sheets of the Exclusive 12 cards.....then the printer did not have the extra task of changing the ink
color to print these backs

Anyhow, I don't know about you fellow T206 guys....but, I find the 6 factors associated with these 12 subjects (that I have presented in this thread) very, very
interesting in the larger scheme of the T206 "Monster".








Hey guys

If you enjoy a real T206 challenge, keep searching for the Exclusive 12 cards with the UZIT backs. And, when you find one, I guarantee you will get a true "natural high"


TED Z

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LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[RCMcKenzie]

TedZ, thanks for all the work on the T206 backs and Ken and Doug thanks for the information on the Crandall Uzit. Fun stuff to read.

I can attest to Crandall having a seemingly large number of cards with the Sov 460. I have two in my collection by accident. Also shown is the SC 460 42...
t206crandallsovandsc154.jpgt206crandallsovandscb155.jpg

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

TedZ, thanks for all the work on the T206 backs and Ken and Doug thanks for the information on the Crandall Uzit. Fun stuff to read.

I can attest to Crandall having a seemingly large number of cards with the Sov 460. I have two in my collection by accident. Also shown is the SC 460 42...
Attachment 100082Attachment 100083

Thanks for the kind words....good buddy.

Doc Crandall was considered the premier Relief Pitcher of the "deadball era". In 1910, he was 17-4, primarily as a relief pitcher.
Furthermore, from 1910 - 1912, Crandall led the NL in Relief victories, compiling an outstanding record of 45-16

In New York City, he was the "Mariano Rivera" of his era.


TED Z

__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[tedzan]

Chris

Originally Posted by atx840

It's interesting that ALL known test print examples out there come from this group. 8/12 have shown up.

Ted

Originally Posted by tedzan

Chris

The images I recognize on those backs are......Crawford, McQuillan, Willis (batting poses), and Lake (no ball), Sweeney (fielding). All 350/460 series guys.

Sooooo, what is this group of cards telling us ?

My first thought is that the American Litho. printer in preparation to do a press run of 350/460 cards, was doing a test on a faulty sheet (backs inverted)
of cards in the Exclusive 12 group.

What's your take ?

And, thanks for posting these cards.

Hey Chris

I'm very interested in hearing your opinion regarding these test print examples; and, what they suggest to us with respect to the printing process ?

I have my thoughts as to what they signify....but, I prefer to hear your's first.



TED Z
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LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)[/QUOTE]

[atx840]

I'm really not sure Ted. Our thoughts on sheet layouts differ, but after spending a lot of time breaking down the entire set into sheet mates & groupings based on the confirmed examples I'm starting to see that there really is no one pattern.

I think it started with 150 players grouped and possibly printed based on ink layers required, players were added and removed throughout the print job, some only made it on to a few sheets near the end of each run (Plank) and thats why they are short printed.

Over the years as the series progressed more players/cards added, swapped in and out..a few sheets printed with each configuration and sent over to the back printing station with really no rhyme or reason. "Hey Joe, send this stack of sheets to the Hindu red press and these sheets to AB no Frame".

I really doubt that it was all pre-calculated out (500+ cards) and followed to a T....these were factory workers doing thousands of jobs.....I think the printers took the new plates (in blocks) and loaded them up, printed a few runs and mixed it up when new blocks of players came. Some blocks only a few sheets were run and then swapped out. No thought to how many of each to print etc.

This doesnt mean that we cant figure out sheet mates based on miscuts, back scratches, ghosts and test prints. I just don't think there is a magic #/pattern to it all.

I do think that the 460 series cards were all done on a 34 card sheet with multiple vertical stacks of players. The groups I've put together all add up to this #, and I think that smaller blocks of players were swapped out (possibly in blocks of 3-6) players for a few sheets here and there.

Maybe one sheet was run with a 6 block of your Exclusive 12 (only half or maybe even only 3) swapped out instead of the super prints for a few sheets and we see these super rare UZIT combos.

As for the test prints, why are there only these 12? Maybe a test print was done on your Exclusive 12 with most ink layers on a sheet that the other side was used to layout other cards.

I'm not sure sir....but fun to think about.

[g_vezina_c55]

Interresting thread again Ted.
I really enjoy read and LEARN in your thread.
Thanks

[tedzan]

Nelson

Thanks for your nice comments.

TED Z

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

I do think that the 460 series cards were all done on a 34 card sheet with multiple vertical stacks of players. The groups I've put together all add up to this #, and I think that smaller blocks of players were swapped out (possibly in blocks of 3-6) players for a few sheets here and there.

As for the test prints, why are there only these 12? Maybe a test print was done on your Exclusive 12 with most ink layers on a sheet that the other side was used to layout other cards.

I'm not sure sir....but fun to think about.

Chris

A lot said there; and, I appreciate all your comments. Since the topic here focuses on the subjects in the 460-only series, my comments are as follows..........

1.....As I see it, the 8 different test print examples lend credence to my theory that the "Exclusive 12" were printed as one horizontal group. I think it is fair to
conclude that when we find the missing 4 subjects (Duffy, Geyer, Sheckard, Tannehill) these guys will be a continuation of this test print pattern.

Furthermore, if additional multiples of these (such as Pfeffer) were found, they will only be Exclusive 12 subjects. Indicating that the Exclusive 12 were printed
separately from the other 36 subjects that were printed with only 460 series backs. Indeed these Exclusive 12 are in a "League (press run) of their own".

2.....I do not understand your "34 card sheet" comment.....are there not 48 subjects that were printed with ONLY 460 series backs ?

There certainly are 48 subjects......apparently, you have not considered Red Kleinow (Boston) and Frank Smith (Chicago & Boston).

Subtracting out the Exclusive 12 from 48 leaves 36 subjects that were printed on a sheet of their own (not 34).


Take care....and, I hope to see you at the National this summer.

TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[jimivintage]

Was the McGraw Portrait w/ Cap in the 350-460 series and not the 460 series? I know all of his portrait w/ cap cards were in the 350 or higher series, but I'm trying to figure out his UZIT status. How many known examples are there?

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by jimivintage

Was the McGraw Portrait w/ Cap in the 350-460 series and not the 460 series? I know all of his portrait w/ cap cards were in the 350 or higher series, but I'm trying to figure out his UZIT status. How many known examples are there?

T206Resource.com lists it as confirmed

There are zero in the PSA and SGC pop reports (not always guaranteed, especially with the older PSA holders).

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by jimivintage

Was the McGraw Portrait w/ Cap in the 350-460 series and not the 460 series? I know all of his portrait w/ cap cards were in the 350 or higher series, but I'm trying to figure out his UZIT status. How many known examples are there?

Jimi

The McGraw Portrait w/Cap is a 460-only series card. It has been confirmed with at least one UZIT back that I know of.


TED Z
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LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[tedzan]

Six of the Exclusive 12 subjects are "newcomers". The other 6 are veteran Major Leaguer's. This focuses on the 5 rookies; and, "Big Jeff" Pfeffer [drafted
by the Cubs from Toronto (Eastern League)].

1910 newcomers



ROOKIES

Josh Devore....his first full season for the Giants in 1910, he batted .304; and, was a very effective lead-off player.

Russ Ford.......had a sensational rookie season in 1910, with a 26-6 W-L record and an ERA = 1.65 for NY (AL). The key to his success was his "emery pitch".

Chick Gandil....was acquired from Sacramento (PCL) and started with Chicago (AL) in 1910.

Rube Geyer.....started pitching for St Louis Cardinals in 1910.

Zach Wheat....led the NL in games played (156) in 1910 (his 1st full season). Zach is the Dodgers all-time leader in Hits, Doubles, and Triples.

and,
Francis Pfeffer......In 1910, "Big Jeff" returned to the Majors with the Cubs after having pitched for Boston (NL), 1906-1908. Pitched a No-Hitter (1907).



Veterans ........ stay tuned




TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Six of the Exclusive 12 subjects are "newcomers". The other 6 are veteran Major Leaguer's. This focuses on the 5 rookies; and, "Big Jeff" Pfeffer [drafted
by the Cubs from Toronto (Eastern League)].

1910 newcomers



ROOKIES

Josh Devore....his first full season for the Giants in 1910, he batted .304; and, was a very effective lead-off player.

Russ Ford.......had a sensational rookie season in 1910, with a 26-6 W-L record and an ERA = 1.65 for NY (AL). The key to his success was his "emery pitch".

Chick Gandil....was acquired from Sacramento (PCL) and started with Chicago (AL) in 1910.

Rube Geyer.....started pitching for St Louis Cardinals in 1910.

Zach Wheat....led the NL in games played (156) in 1910 (his 1st full season). Zach is the Dodgers all-time leader in Hits, Doubles, and Triples.

and,
Francis Pfeffer......In 1910, "Big Jeff" returned to the Majors with the Cubs after having pitched for Boston (NL), 1906-1908. Pitched a No-Hitter (1907).



Veterans ........ stay tuned

Veterans

Doc Crandall....was the premier Relief pitcher of the dead-ball era. You could say that he was the "Mariano Rivera" of that era.

Hugh Duffy......a great all-around player. In 1894, he batted .440 with 237 Hits, 18 HR's and 145 RBI's. Started the 1910 season managing the White Sox.

John Hummel....an 11-year career with Brooklyn as a utility ballplayer, who played every position in the field. 1910 he had his best in Triples, RBI's & Stolen Bases.

Jim Sheckard....an effective lead-off batter with the Cubs. Circa 1910, Jimmy formed 3/4 of a popular barbershop quartet with Solly Hofman and Lew Richie.

Lee Tannehill....a great defensive player with the White Sox. Lee has the record of executing 2 unassisted Triple Plays in the same game.

John McGraw....finally, the inimitable "Mugsy". A lot can be said about McGraw; but, I'll leave you with this....you Red Sox fans should forget the so-called "Ruth hex".
It was the "McGraw hex" that haunted you for exactly 100 years. In 1904, the Giants and Boston won the NL & AL Pennants. But, McGraw refused to play Boston. He
declared his Giants the World Champions......1904 was the year they did not play the World Series. That's how it really was. You can check it out.


Hey guys....keep searching for any of these "Exclusive 12" guys with UZIT backs.


TED Z