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realized, with their 6-7 color process used to print these tobacco cards, they were able to achieve a higher YIELD of quality by printing them on smaller sheets. And, YIELD was a very important factor when you are cranking out 10's of Millions of cards in a short time span. Steve, do you agree with the above premise ? And, while it's a mystery to me that we haven't discovered any uncut sheets (or partially uncut panels) of T206's, I've seen several uncut sheets of various Non-Sports issues produced by ALC. One (or two) were printed on a 19" x 24" sheet; and, others were printed on smaller size sheets. TED Z |
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The web presses could run much faster, but I haven't found any indication that they were for lithography. The aluminum plates came out around 1900, so it's certainly possible. Balancing quality, speed, and costs from setup time etc is the challenge. Quality is mostly up to the operator, but running faster makes it much harder. One thing all of us neglect is the possibility of very large sheets laid out in blocks that could be based on 12 or 17 subjects. Or multiple sheet arrangements - So printing both sheets that were 17 (Maybe more) Subjects AND at the same time printing sheets that were 12 subjects. I haven't seen the uncut non-sports cards, different sizes makes sense since many of those sets were 50-100 cards. If you have any links to them I think they'd be very interesting. It is odd that no uncut production baseball cards are known, when there are sheets or partial sheets of other stuff. Odder still is that the progressive proof books for cigar box labels are readily available, but I've never seen one for any card. That's probably a matter of what got saved. Steve B |
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The following simulated 96-card sheet of known 48 subjects from the 350 series ** is my concept of a typical ALC press run employing a 19" press to print these cards on a 19" x 24" sheet of cardboard. Note ** These 48 - Major League subjects are a known quantity from the 1910 COUPON issue. Their arrangement is arbitrary, but I firmly believe these 48 were printed together on the same sheet. I show them Double-Printed in order to completely fill-out the sheet. If these 96 cards do not display on your screen as a 12 x 9 arrangement, diminish the display to obtain the desired configuration. TED Z . |
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On (at least one instance of) a Sweet Caporal 350 Factory 30 sheet:
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Assuming that sheet layouts did not change during the piedmont 350 run (which may be totally invalid statement), you could have had this (number of rows is insignificant... alignment is what's being demonstrated):
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I arranged this 48 subject sheet some years ago before any top/bottom data was reported. And as I stated......
Note ** These 48 - Major League subjects are a known quantity from the 1910 COUPON issue. Their arrangement is arbitrary, but I firmly believe these 48 were printed together on the same sheet. I show them Double-Printed in order to completely fill-out the sheet. If these 96 cards do not display on your screen as a 12 x 9 arrangement, diminish the display to obtain the desired configuration. So, I don't understand your comments......as, the following 9 subjects are on this sheet...... Thomas and Rossman McBride and Rossman Matty McIntyre and Danny Hoffman Hartsel and Wilson AND, I'll will add the red Cobb adjacent to Chance (yellow portrait)....as I have personally seen this combo. These subjects were printed on a different sheet (we are aware that ALC would switch around various subjects during press runs). McElveen and Dygert Stephens and Rossman Stephens and Hoblitzell Jackson and Danny Hoffman TED Z . |
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If these 48 were printed together on the same sheet, then how could the Jackson, Stephens and Dygert cards also be on the same sheet (since they are known to be adjacent to cards in your list of 48)? Last edited by t206hound; 08-14-2014 at 01:35 PM. |
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This is not new news, it has been previously discussed. The arrangement of the 48 subjects that I have displayed here is by no means a singular grouping of these subjects. The 6 super-prints certainly exemplify this fact. They are repeated on subsequent series sheets (e.g. they are included again in the 66-subject Sovereign apple green sheet, also, T213, T214, T215 issues). TED Z . |
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I think it is very important to be open minded about the sheet layout and not get pigeon holed into focusing on a "certain sized" track, when we already know they were using multiple sized presses. The Obak sheet shows us that the print quality on this larger sheet was not sacrificed by using a larger sheet. And, for now, that Obak sheet is the closest thing we have to study. Great discussion! I love threads like this. Jantz- great observation! Chris- Great input with the yellow-brown scraps, I think those are an excellent clue. Erick- great questions, you are better with words than I am. Steve- always fun to read your information, thanks! Everyone else- thanks for the input! I didn't start this thread but I've thoroughly enjoyed reading through it. Sincerely, Clayton |
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