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“So, what is it? Are the people at PSA overseeing those graders who are churning out those high grades for those cards, and in the process perpetuating the economic viability of the card registry, really that stupid, or is it something else?”
Obviously it’s more “something else” than stupid. A good beginning would be to stop taking in cards from known trimmers and doctors. Yet PSA’s list of “Recommended Dealers” still endorses Dennis Pevarnick and other known card doctors. If PSA really wanted to engage in cleaning things up, they would take a few obvious proactive steps. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1355413&page=3 |
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And now PSA is decertifying the cert numbers from the slabs the cards were originally in. Pretty galling for the "Never get cheated!" market leader. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1355413&page=4 Not a whole lot different with the new private ownership group, or Mr. Genamint. They have been assimilated by the Borg. (Not really a Trekkie; did I get that joke right?)
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The sports collectibles industry is one that requires no education or licensure to participate, has no regulation, has no governing body to oversee even its largest sellers and dealers, has no real penalties for getting caught committing fraud, garners little to no interest from federal authorities or any other policing agency, and has customers who tend to look the other way even when outlandish criminal acts are committed.
Either accept it or take up another hobby because this one has always been full of shady people and probably always will. I hear woodworking is very rewarding. |
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I disagree somewhat, there certainly was (if indeed it's over and it may not be) a significant FBI investigation into the trimming scandal. It's not fair to say the government has "little to no interest." There was also a significant investigation of "Copperfield," the guy from Mexico allegedly selling cards in resealed or fake slabs.
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Of course, and all auction houses are licensed. So to say the industry doesn't have any authorities or laws they're beholden to is completely wrong.
Caveat emptor, but if that PSA 9 used to a PSA 5 with pressed out crease, no problem I guess. Surely the additional $15K in sale value makes sense.
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"Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss. We won't get fooled again."
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Who but Roger Daltrey could sing that? Not sure anyone else even tried to cover that song.
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Van Halen - 1992 (Live, but released) Axel Rudy Pell Hayseed Dixie A short and very varied list. Also sort of quoted in a Terry Pratchett book. "Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! Nae master! We willnae be fooled again!" Also for added amusement Some of the upland clans have mastered the concept of law as a weapon however, and note that it is a good idea "neever te sign a feegle contract; six inch high people write verra small print". Beware the cry, "We've got a cheap lawyer an' we're not afraid to use him!" Their swords glow blue in the presence of lawyers. From https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Nac_Mac_Feegle |
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Check out this site LOL. https://secondhandsongs.com/work/5477/versions A world of cynicism squeezed into one line, and it will probably always resonate.
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Crux of the matter: Cards broken from slabs. Cards altered. Cards given number grades by PSA. Cards sold for thousands by Heritage. PSA knows the score. Both they and Heritage were informed of the cards while up for auction. Did any get pulled?
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I am one of the only one’s who thinks the Pump&Dump Shill Bidding is way worse than the altering not being caught?
Don’t get me wrong I don’t like altering at all but to me the real ridiculousness was the stuff going on over at PWCC...maybe that’s a better way to get some justice. Wasn't there direct electronic email evidence of that guy who owns PWCC writing a guy/bidder to take the next bid on a card, you won’t be outbid ? Didn’t Mastro go to Jail over Shill Bidding and not Trimming ? Last edited by Johnny630; 05-15-2022 at 04:59 PM. |
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Personally I would rather buy a natural card at a shilled price than an altered card at an unshilled price.
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