Jeter SP Foil auction

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Also -- I would be willing to bet if you cracked out all the 9s and 10s, and resubmitted, and somehow could trace each card, you would get a very different group of 10s, and probably some 8.5s or even 8s. At the 9/10 level there is a lot of arbitrariness which is what makes it so artificial in my opinion.
I have seen this first hand, a guy I knew who was a huge volume submitter used to regularly resubmit stacks of 9s of major cards and always would be rewarded with some 10s.

I couldn’t have said it better. ( especially with the 1993 SP jeter) I be heard some crazy stories on the regrade your card game. Give me a grade 8 and 90% percent of the time you can’t see it’s not a 9. And take a look at a 9 and I’ll make a case for to be a 10 or a 8.(depends if it my card or yours lol.


I don’t even see graded cards as mine is better then yours because the grade of it. Maybe 2 to 10 but the difference between 7 and a 8 come on.

[Peter_Spaeth]

For anyone who believes in the "10" I encourage you -- no I double dog dare you -- to do the following experiment. Take 20 PSA 10s of cards of significant value, crack them out, resubmit them (yourself, not through 4SC), and report back what you get. Go on.

[Dpeck100]

I have loads of self submitted 10's that you could send in time and time again and get a 10.

This is not an exactly tough set but it is pretty obvious this card is a 10.

[Dpeck100]

What gets lost in the shuffle is some collectors like 10's because many are incredibly aesthetically pleasing to the eye with no wear and perfect centering.

I like them for numerous reasons. I love to collect nice looking cards, they are dramatically better than any other grade for investment purposes, I have active registry sets, I like to uncover raw cards that are beautiful, I can say I have the only copy or one of just a few copies to ever grade that high, huge bank for your buck if you submit them yourself, and on and on.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

What gets lost in the shuffle is some collectors like 10's because many are incredibly aesthetically pleasing to the eye with no wear and perfect centering.

I like them for numerous reasons. I love to collect nice looking cards, they are dramatically better than any other grade for investment purposes, I have active registry sets, I like to uncover raw cards that are beautiful, I can say I have the only copy or one of just a few copies to ever grade that high, huge bank for your buck if you submit them yourself, and on and on.

I agree with you on the investment, no question. Where we disagree is whether in terms of the actual card, there is a clear differentiation between a 9 and a 10. From what I have seen in decades of doing this, frequently not. Many many 10s are bumped 9s.

[Dpeck100]

That is where it gets blurry. You are right about that bump game. The most expensive card I have ever purchased was a 9 first.

I think some of that can be chalked up to erring on the side of conservatism and card grading isn’t a perfect science. I was naive to that when I first embraced it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

That is where it gets blurry. You are right about that bump game. The most expensive card I have ever purchased was a 9 first.

I think some of that can be chalked up to erring on the side of conservatism and card grading isn’t a perfect science. I was naive to that when I first embraced it.

So was it that much better a card in a 10 flip? To me that's where it gets absurd. And don't even get me going on the celebrity bump thing.

[Dpeck100]

Most wrestling cards are cheap and there is real risk from a monetary stand point to not grade a 10.

You get very picky on certain cards when this is the case and if it looks closer to a 9 I take it out of the stack.

I obviously don’t have a 1000 percent average but have done quite well at it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have a number of 9s that look like 10s. And probably some percentage would be on resubmission. And probably some of my 10s would get 9s. The guy I knew made a good part of his living getting 9s bumped to 10s. Jordan rookies and the like. It was essentially a numbers game.

[Hxcmilkshake]

You can do that with most cards, especially newer ones, thats the problem with grading.

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

I couldn’t have said it better. ( especially with the 1993 SP jeter) I be heard some crazy stories on the regrade your card game. Give me a grade 8 and 90% percent of the time you can’t see it’s not a 9. And take a look at a 9 and I’ll make a case for to be a 10 or a 8.(depends if it my card or yours lol.


I don’t even see graded cards as mine is better then yours because the grade of it. Maybe 2 to 10 but the difference between 7 and a 8 come on.

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[irv]

What I always get a chuckle out of is brand new, pack fresh cards that receive 8's or less. What exactly is wrong with those cards that could warrant such a grade?

If all pre and post war cards were graded like these new(er) ones, most would be lucky to receive 2's or 3's instead of the 8's and 9's some of them receive.
Older graded slab, but you should get the point.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-...vip=true&rt=nc

[Republicaninmass]

Wow, that would have been a 3rd string sub on my account

[Rookiemonster]

Card is up to 82,000

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Card is up to 82,000

David P convinced me.

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

David P convinced me.

Lol idk if I could be convinced for this price.