T206 Wagner price estimate

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Posted By: Dylan

The infamous T206 Gretzky/McNall Wagner was originally purchased in 1991 for 451,000. Later, in 1996 the same card sold for 640,500. The next recorded sale was for more then 1 million dollars. I understand that there is speculation the this particular card encapsulated by PSA is possibly trimmed. In any case, if one had to guess, what would the NM/MT Wagner sell for if put up for auction today?

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Posted By: David Smith

Hey, it looks like Sean is back......

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Maybe Sean recruited a friend we can only hope that is not the case.

In case there are others out there, most of use a really sick of seeing T206 Wagner reprints and speculation of values of this or any card. These threads of price speculating contribute absolutey nothing to this board.

Let's try to keep the threads to the subject we all love.

Sorry if this is harsh but, it gets old when we consently get off subject or continue to beat a dead horse

Lee

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Posted By: davidcycleback

$2 million.

My answer is correct, and you can't prove me wrong if it doesn't sell today.

Winner! Where's my prize?

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Posted By: Anonymous

Sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. Im actually new to this board and havent a clue who Sean is. However I love vintage baseball cards and am very happy to find such a board. I'm not surprised that questions regarding Wagners T206 are worn out. If someone can tell me how I would be more then happy to delete the thread.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Sean was a young kid who kept asking the same questions again and again about how much things were worth, and he was eventually given his walking papers. As far as the value of the PSA-8 Wagner, $2 million plus is my guess. The desire to own the card is greater than the information surrounding it. And welcome to the board.

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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus

There was an article in the Daily News on October 1 written by Michael O'Keefe which reports that the current owner of PSA 8 T206 Wagner has agreed to a private sale of the card for between $2.2 and $2.4 million. The article said $100K has already been deposited by the buyer as a down payment.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I knew about the story cited by Corey but thought it was still confidential information. If the sale is private and not even completed, it's curious it is in the news. I would want a done deal before I went public with it.

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Posted By: Paul

Dylan, the best rule of thumb for a happy time on this board is to care about the card first, & the grade & value are secondary. Its a passionate hobby for most of us, & the history/mystery of it all is foremost. Its easy to get caught up with prices & values as I do from time to time, but thats not whats important to most of us I suspect. Welcome aboard.

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Posted By: jay behrens

A lot of questions you might have can probably be answered if you use the seach function. It's a very handy tool.

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: Cobby33

Looks like Dylan has made some thoughtful posts on other threads. Although Sean seemed to be an OK kid, Dylan definitely isn't Sean.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Dylan's question was legitimate. Pricing on a Pre-War card. There's no reason for him to appologize. And my $2 million was a sincere quess.

I also agree with Barry. You count the total when money has been paid. For example, a high price in a finished eBay auction doesn't mean the money was paid.

I offered $20 for the Wagner. The owner asked why would he even consider accepting the deal. I told him because he could be certain I wouldn't back out of the deal and I pay in cash.

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

I am a relatively new poster here, but here's my feeling: if there is a question on your mind that has to do with vintage baseball cards, just ask. If you are out of line with your inquiry, I'm sure the moderator will let you know.

On the Gretzky/McNall T206 Honus Wagner (which I saw at the last National show), my guess is that it will easily retain its position as the most expensive card in the hobby. It remains to be seen how recent revelations about the card possibly having been trimmed down from its original size will affect the demand and valuation going forward.

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Posted By: barry arnold

Welcome aboard, Dylan!

There is a wealth of brilliant information here and many fascinating
rides down 'discovery' lane! And I must underscore----many,many fine
colleagues!

Keep swimming through any frenzied waves. I assure you that it is worth
the effort.

all the best,

barry

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Posted By: MVSNYC

2 mil.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Don't worry about the thought police; the folks who have been run have violated board rules and/or requests of the moderator. Post away and the moderator (Leon) will let you know if something is out of line. And have fun (that's an order).

As far as the urban tales about the Wagner, until someone who claims to be an eyewitness decides to step forward and go on the record with the media, the story will not gain any traction and will not affect the card's perceived value. Don't hold your breath, though, since the revelation would flatten the most prestigious card in the hobby and some of the biggest names, and would be financially damaging to many vintage dealers and collectors.

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Posted By: Anonymous

I wouldnt normally have asked the question, as i figured a number somewhere over 2 Million would sound right, but after reading a couple articles about the possible trimming/altering of the card, I was wondering if serious collectors were indoubt of its grade, therefore value. Ofcourse the cards bigger then life rep im sure will keep it in the top spot, however... if there were a card or two that could possibly dethrone the famous Wagner any speculation on which it could be?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Serious collectors have bona fide questions about the card, but it never has and probably never will stop it from being the most valuable card in the hobby. As I said earlier, the desire to own it is greater than any information surrounding it.

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Posted By: dd

90-100k for a PSA 1 specimen. A PSA 1 1914 Baltimore News Ruth went for just over $150K....what would a bona fide 8 bring?

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

But Darren...

that is part of what makes the T206 Wagner so interesting.

Even though people KNOW that there are MUCH FINER examples of the card in existence...

they still pay so much for a PSA 1.


The price for other rare cards might not be so high if they were not the "finest known example," etc.


Would the PSA 1 Baltimore News RUTH sell for so much if another 40 or so came out in a "find"??

There are 50+ Wagners... and they STILL fetch such a high price.


Perhaps the BETTER question is HOW MUCH would someone pay for a T206 Wagner if 40 of them were suddenly gathered up and destroyed??

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Posted By: dd

Hal,

I totally agree and can only speculate if there were 50 or more examples of the Ruth(i think there are only 2 verified). The other being a PSA 4.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

What would be the winning bid on a '52 Topps Mantle if all but 10 of them were suddenly gathered up and destroyed??

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Posted By: Eric Brehm

Here's what Robert Edwards Auctions had to say about the 1914 Baltimore News Ruth during their last auction:

http://robertedwardauctions.com/site/bidplace.aspx?itemid=3582

Grade for grade, I'd rather have a T206 Wagner, any day.

I think a PSA 10 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle (of which 3 have been graded to date) could bring as much as $500K in today's market, but I think that's about the limit on that one. But then again who knows with something of that level of scarcity.

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Posted By: JimB

PSA 1 Wagners have not gone for under 100k for several years now. With decent eye-appeal, even a PSA 1/SGC 10 would go for over 150k IMHO.
JimB

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Posted By: barrysloate

There are more than two 1914 Ruths known, probably more like 6 or 7. Still makes it an exceedingly rare card, and one that is gaining more respect with each passing year. And the fact that it isn't a true rookie- here we go again- because it shows Ruth as a member of the International League Baltimore team has not hurt its desirability. Part of the reason PSA-1 Wagners go so high is that there are so many people who really want one and every time one comes up for sale they get outbid. So the next time around, they know they have to go a little higher. I suppose that applies to any desirable commodity, and a T206 Wagner is certainly the most coveted card in the hobby. Not the rarest by any stretch, but the one that everybody wants to own. Will the 1914 Ruth surpass it in desirability? Probably not, but it has a great shot at being number two. And that's not so bad, is it?

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Posted By: Anonymous

Is this really not his rookie card (Ruth's Baltimore News card)? I thought that it was. Could someone enlighten me? Thanks in advance.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Minor League cards are not considered rookie cards by a lot of us.

Ruth Baltimore News... DiMaggio Zee-Nut ... etc

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Posted By: Anonymous

Thanks, Hal. I was not aware that is what was meant by that comment. Is it fair to say that that is Ruth's first known card?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Yes, it is Ruth's first known card. He is 19 years old at the time.