Not again! This is why I have a problem with PWCC!! Sorry for the rant!

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well since the cards at issue were under $1000 you are free to continue to auction that kind of card on your own..

Dude you never have anything nice to add to anything. Start being nicer to people.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Dude you never have anything nice to add to anything. Start being nicer to people.

Some people are just cynics....I get it.....He don't have to be nice to me....the hobby is big enough for all kinds of assholes :-p

[glynparson]

This is not a great comparison, a bump up in grade even just one level can sometimes mean 2-3 times or even more jump in price. This complaint makes little to no sense to me.

[jbsports33]

There is something gong on with prices either way as I have see some auctions on EBay just not looking right the last few years - at least with the bidding process

Have been on eBay a long time and maybe due to the fact the eBay may not being doing their on record collecting or at least just not looking - some of the large auction sellers on eBay are having similar issues some of larger auction houses have had the last 10 years or so

Learn about what your buying - if price is too high do not bid - always other stuff to buy!

Good luck collecting

Jimmy

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by glynparson

This is not a great comparison, a bump up in grade even just one level can sometimes mean 2-3 times or even more jump in price. This complaint makes little to no sense to me.

Usually from 8-9 I would agree with you....6 to 7?? No way.

[Rich Klein]

Bobby it may depend on what card is going from a 6 to a 7. I'd wager a 1910's-20's caramel card moving from 6 to 7 is a major upswing in price

[CMIZ5290]

A T206 common from a PSA 6 to a PSA 7 is about PSA 6 $225- PSA 7 $600, if it's a low population common, much more....

[glynparson]

Bobby it is in no way always an 8 to 9. You are sorely mistaken if you think that is always where the jump in price is. Some issues it is 6-7 some 7-8 some 8-9 and some 9-10. It is not an exact science. The older sets it tends to be lower. The jump from and 8 to a 9 in This set may be more then 3x. I wouldn't be shocked. There is no rule of when or where the jump happens. Heck it can even vary on certain cards within the same set. Your logic and this whole argument is just silly and borderline ignorant. Also anyone thinking that PWCC or any of the other mega sellers don't get more eyes on their auctions, are you stupid? Go to a mall sometime different retailers can have the same item at different levels and sometimes it will sell as well in one store with a higher price as another where its cheaper. Not everyone is always buying on price. Some buy on convenience, and with the added aspect here of online, some just want to deal with companies they know and trust will get them their purchase secure and in a timely manner. PWCC for all their flaws is excellent at this. Honestly not sure why a few of you have this for your hobby some of you do nothing but make complaints and act like children when you either don't get what you want or somebody sells something for more than you did.

[Exhibitman]

This is why shill bidding is so destructive. PWCC can do all the promotion it likes but the shilling atmosphere negates it. Did the Grove sell for more because the PWCC winner was pushed closer to his max bid? Was it just different eyes on the sales? Was there some other factor at work? We don’t know.

I will say this for PWCC, Probstein, etc.: they are procedurally honest. If you win an auction and you pay the price you will get the card. I’ve also won a few auctions lately at low prices but had the seller mysteriously lose the card. No worries of that with PWCC.

[RedsFan1941]

Bobby buys a PSA 6 U.S. Caramel Lefty Grove in Heritage Auctions -- the largest auction house in America -- for $1,020 on Oct. 15.

Bobby attempts to flip it on eBay less than a month later, starting his auction at 99 cents and offering himself no protection. Card sells for $730.

New owner of the card sells it himself (not with PWCC) on Nov. 21 as a Buy It Now -- offering himself protection -- for $895, which is still less than what the card sold for in Heritage.

And this thread was started to rant about PWCC. Because PWCC sold a PSA 7 example of the same card. For more money than what the PSA 6 sold for.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

Bobby buys a PSA 6 U.S. Caramel Lefty Grove in Heritage Auctions -- the largest auction house in America -- for $1,020 on Oct. 15.

Bobby attempts to flip it on eBay less than a month later, starting his auction at 99 cents and offering himself no protection. Card sells for $730.

New owner of the card sells it himself (not with PWCC) on Nov. 21 as a Buy It Now -- offering himself protection -- for $895, which is still less than what the card sold for in Heritage.

And this thread was started to rant about PWCC. Because PWCC sold a PSA 7 example of the same card. For more money than what the PSA 6 sold for.

Well, yes, but PWCC does not have that nice orange packing tape that Mastro used.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Well, yes, but PWCC does not have that nice orange packing tape that Mastro used.

LMFAO....I remember when I first got in the hobby....Mastro told me I had to be a member and send them $25 (or $50) to become a member to bid on their auctions. Like it was the norm.

And yes.....I tried to flip a card quickly....I know not everyone bids in Heritage....I thought I got it for a steal...apparently, I did not....MY auction was the ABSOLUTE STEAL. And the fact that the buyer sold it, not ONCE but TWICE immediately for $200 extra......well, that tells me all I need to know about .99 cent auctions.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

Bobby buys a PSA 6 U.S. Caramel Lefty Grove in Heritage Auctions -- the largest auction house in America -- for $1,020 on Oct. 15.

Bobby attempts to flip it on eBay less than a month later, starting his auction at 99 cents and offering himself no protection. Card sells for $730.

New owner of the card sells it himself (not with PWCC) on Nov. 21 as a Buy It Now -- offering himself protection -- for $895, which is still less than what the card sold for in Heritage.

And this thread was started to rant about PWCC. Because PWCC sold a PSA 7 example of the same card. For more money than what the PSA 6 sold for.

I think that by merely stating the facts, you consolidated my feelings better in this post than I did in my 4 previous posts combined.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by orly57

I think that by merely stating the facts, you consolidated my feelings better in this post than I did in my 4 previous posts combined.

I agree this thread was started on apples to oranges. I only entered the fray because I don’t believe you would see such a discrepancy for BobfromNet54 on an apples-to-apples comparison.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector View Post
well since the cards at issue were under $1000 you are free to continue to auction that kind of card on your own..

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Dude you never have anything nice to add to anything. Start being nicer to people.

I have said many nice things on the board...what i said to you isnt mean, its the truth. Your post seems not nice to me though and you are doing much worse than whatever you wrongly accusing me of...

Maybe pot calling the kettle black..

[bobbyw8469]

I'm not sure where you are going with this....

[CMIZ5290]

Shocker....Dysfunction due to Brent at PWCC.. Do you guys understand how silly this is over and over?? Brent, please tell me you're not laughing! This guy is invincible, just ask EBAY!

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Shocker....Dysfunction due to Brent at PWCC.. Do you guys understand how silly this is over and over?? Brent, please tell me you're not laughing! This guy is invincible, just ask EBAY!

PWCC is what it is. I think their auctions have tailed off dramatically in high quality stuff in 2017 vs. the last few years. I don't see the $25,000, $50,000 and $100,000 cards with anywhere approaching the frequency of 2015-16. Where are the Cracker Jack 7s and 8s? Or the Gehrig rookies? They still have great volume but I think people with high end stuff have wised up. Others can (and probably will) disagree. If you are not willing to shill your auction, and many of us aren't, I think are a very risky choice.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

PWCC is what it is. I think their auctions have tailed off dramatically in high quality stuff in 2017 vs. the last few years. I don't see the six figure cards with anywhere approaching the frequency of 2015-16. Where are the Cracker Jack 7s and 8s? Or the Gehrig rookies? They still have great volume but I think people with high end stuff have wised up. Others can (and probably will) disagree. If you are not willing to shill your auction, and many of us aren't, I think are a very risky choice.

Fair enough Steve, but I dont see it. I would love to see a decline in his business, yet to see it though...

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

PWCC is what it is. I think their auctions have tailed off dramatically in high quality stuff in 2017 vs. the last few years. I don't see the $25,000, $50,000 and $100,000 cards with anywhere approaching the frequency of 2015-16. Where are the Cracker Jack 7s and 8s? Or the Gehrig rookies? They still have great volume but I think people with high end stuff have wised up. Others can (and probably will) disagree. If you are not willing to shill your auction, and many of us aren't, I think are a very risky choice.

The facts would not support your observation.

[cardsnstuff]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

PWCC is what it is. I think their auctions have tailed off dramatically in high quality stuff in 2017 vs. the last few years. I don't see the $25,000, $50,000 and $100,000 cards with anywhere approaching the frequency of 2015-16. Where are the Cracker Jack 7s and 8s? Or the Gehrig rookies? They still have great volume but I think people with high end stuff have wised up. Others can (and probably will) disagree. If you are not willing to shill your auction, and many of us aren't, I think are a very risky choice.

If I am not willing to shill does PWCC bring close to VCP? or what would you say are some quick & viable other options. When I sell myself I just don't get the eyes on my auctions/items.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by cardsnstuff

If I am not willing to shill does PWCC bring close to VCP? or what would you say are some quick & viable other options. When I sell myself I just don't get the eyes on my auctions/items.

I wish I knew the answer...I really do. Robert Edwards auctions seem to do well, but then again, look at the lot Battlfield won from REA recently and then broke up on Ebay for a whole lot more. There seems to be no exact science for who gets the best prices and what venue to utilize. It all seems to be a gamble.