Odds this Hal Chase is real?

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

What are the chances that this Hal Chase is real, fat or slim?

http://tinyurl.com/2tcgo8

Thanks in advance!

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Posted By: dennis

looks real to me. pro cards are usually real. they are known for grading trimmed cards.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

The type of the caption looks too dark and too bold. I think odds are nil that it is real.


As for Pro Cards grading, I know nothing about them, one way nor another.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

What the value of this card be if it were in a SGC Authentic holder???

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Posted By: Anthony S.

It's real, just don't get your hopes up for crossing it over for a GAI, PSA, or SGC holder higher than "A". It could be that it's not trimmed, but the PRO holder is often a sign that it is.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Marty, I think the card is real; the captions on M116s are often darker than what we see on T206s. However, that is a way short card. Value? $20?

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

99% that it is real 100% that it is trimmed one or both ways. I have a nice group of PRO M116,s HOFers that now are in SGC aut. holders.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

Thanks Jeff and all..

I'm done bidding on it!  

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Posted By: Scott Sarian

I was the seller of the PRO Chase card. I bought the card probably back 7 or 8 years ago, not knowing about PRO at the time. I stashed it away shortly thereafter to chalk it up as a lesson learned about PRO graded cards. I posted the card last week knowing that SGC and PSA "Authentic" cards still sell for a few bucks.

I wasn't trying to fool or deceive anyone in my listing, and specifically said in the listing "the top border looks a bit short, but nonetheless presents very nicely and is a great card to add to any vintage collection!" I am 100% sure the card is authentic, but feel similarly sure about it being trimmed on the top.

So the $100 it sold for is probably 1/2 or 1/3 of what I originally paid for it a while back, but probably represents a fair market value on what would most likely cross to an "A" grade.

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Posted By: Mark T

I agree, most people know about PRO grading and should assume it is trimmed. Nice looking Chase card but it is Trimmed. Too bad though, whoever trimmed it should have just left it alone. It looks like it would have been a fine card. They probably were trying to get a bump in grade by slicing it.

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Posted By: fkw

Like almost all high grade PRO cards...

authentic and trimmed

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

some point. It appears to have some waves on the back or is it just me?

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Posted By: Scott Sarian

Yep, it definitely had been glued in a scrapbook, which left the residue on the lower part of the back. It's probably why the card stayed in such good condition, until the trimming of course. I should've posted a bigger / better scan, but you are correct about the residue.

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Posted By: brian

I've owned M116 cards with less border than that all the way around resting in PSA holders. However, if you sent that card in for crossover to any reputable company in a PRO holder, it would automatically be graded "authentic", regardless of whether or not it was trimmed. If it was broken out of the slab and submitted, chances are it would receive a numerical grade. Scott got a great price for the card considering the back defect. There have been a couple of finds in the last 10 years of M116 cards still sealed in the original Sporting Life envelopes. When they were pulled out of the envelopes, the cards and borders were found to be of all different sizes, indicating that there was almost no quality control during factory production.