Doctored Nodgrass T206 Error

[danmckee]

Careful friends.... All legit Nodgrass error cards have a partial part of the right side of the "S" still visable from the broken die. This one may be a George Hober laser job from years ago. Sadly George didn't do his homework and rubbed off "S" from the catching poses as well.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25632807629...&segname=11021

Bump due to relist:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25633674278...&segname=11021

Bump due to relist:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25635279932...Bk9SR47LqsWTYw

Bump due to relist:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25638405061...Bk9SR8i0q8mlYw

[MVSNYC]

Dan is right, the real examples have a partial S showing...I own this legit example (in fact, I've owned this card 3 different times since 1991). I was the one who sent it in to PSA with a letter explaining the variation (mine was the first graded). During the time it was not in my collection, someone had it re-slabbed and PSA wouldn't label it again Nodgrass (frustrating). Here's mine pictured in the old holder, and now re-slabbed (not by me).

*The scuffs/marks on the old scan are on the slab and/or scanner, not the card.

[Leon]

Nice catch, Dan. They should hire you!
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[danmckee]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Dan is right, the real examples have a partial S showing...I own this legit example (in fact, I've owned this card 3 different times since 1991). I was the one who sent it in to PSA with a letter explaining the variation (mine was the first graded). During the time it was not in my collection, someone had it re-slabbed and PSA wouldn't label it again Nodgrass (frustrating). Here's mine pictured in the old holder, and now re-slabbed (not by me).

*The scuffs/marks on the old scan are on the slab and/or scanner, not the card.

That 3 is the real McCoy! Nice card!

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Leon

Nice catch, Dan. They should hire you!
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Oh I bit my tongue cause I love Grading so much but TY my dear friend for the nice compliment...

I wish PSA would buy it back and destroy it but that won't happen

Dan Mckee

[MVSNYC]

Thanks Dan! I wish the old owner just kept it in the original slab...or...that PSA carried over the "Nodgrass" labeling.

[danmckee]

Bump due to relist:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25633674278...&segname=11021

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Thanks Dan! I wish the old owner just kept it in the original slab...or...that PSA carried over the "Nodgrass" labeling.

Seems PSA would be obligated to recognize that error

[MVSNYC]

Eric, I called and asked them, they wouldn't do it. I wasn't about to get into an argument over the phone with them...next Nat'l I goto (whenever that may be), I'll bring it and show them clear images of the before flip...I agree with you, they should do it over the same.

[Beercan collector]

Sorry to piggyback but I didn’t think this was worth a whole new thread , but I wanted to post this ridiculous listing -
Even if this dizzy Dean was real it wouldn’t be worth 120 bucks . ($2000?)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/38644449057...Bk9SR9zwqJCPYw

[Leon]

That is a popular card and would be worth 200+ if real. For some reason that is just about the only card (of several pages I looked at) of his that isn't graded

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Sorry to piggyback but I didn’t think this was worth a whole new thread , but I wanted to post this ridiculous listing -
Even if this dizzy Dean was real it wouldn’t be worth 120 bucks . ($2000?)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/38644449057...Bk9SR9zwqJCPYw

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is a popular card and would be worth 200+ if real. For some reason that is just about the only card (of several pages I looked at) of his that isn't graded

My bad - I guess I assume a card dealer would know better .
But for cripes sake don’t anyone offer him $200 .
(Unless you think I’m mutilated Dover reprint is worth $200)

[danmckee]

Bump due to relist:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25635279932...Bk9SR47LqsWTYw

[danmckee]

Bump as he just keeps relisting this doctored junk........

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25638405061...Bk9SR8i0q8mlYw

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Leon

Nice catch, Dan. They should hire you!
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+1 on what our boss said. They should!

[Fred]

Great info! Only problem is those buttheads that are removing the S will now leave the part of the "S" that is necessary if they read this board. Also, let's hope after the TPGs learn something from Dan that they reject the "nodgrass" cards (no partial S) and only tell the submitter that's it not altered and do not provide the submitter with the partial S reason.

Edited to add: What's your thoughts? If a TPG rejects that nodgrass (no partial S), should they not encapsulate the card? Not even with an AUTH - ALTERED? Unless the TPGs actually indicate the alteration of the removed S.

[Leon]

Something tells me your relisting bumps could go on indefinitely! Can't stand scammers.

Originally Posted by danmckee

Bump as he just keeps relisting this doctored junk........

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25638405061...Bk9SR8i0q8mlYw

[Natedog]

I sent in a legit Snodgrass error from an old, untouched collection, and both SGC and PSA both stated they will not grade them anymore. In fact, they wouldn't even encapsulate the card as a regular Snodgrass, let alone acknowledge the error on the label.

[Natedog]

This example from Dean's is even worse. It looks like someone took an eraser to the "S", and got part of the "N" as well. At least PSA didn't label it as an error.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/29619157077...Bk9SR4SX_4OqYw

[Leon]

That's just sad.

Originally Posted by Natedog

This example from Dean's is even worse. It looks like someone took an eraser to the "S", and got part of the "n" as well. At least PSA didn't label it as an error.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/29619157077...Bk9SR4SX_4OqYw

[Fred]

Sad? I'm going to call it PATHETIC.

Those guys are trying to get "nodgrass" money for an obviously doctored card.

I've never bought from Deans because of their slightly higher than going rate prices. I thought they were supposed to be reputable. Slowly moving to the other side, I guess.

Or is it my bad and the $3460 asking price is just another Deans price that is above the normal range for a standard T206.

How the heck did PSA not decline to slab it or encapsulate it in an AUTH/ALT holder?

EDITED TO AD - This is one of those cards that would go through that ebay authentication process right? If so, I wonder if that authentication process would slam it and say HELL NO.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Fred

Sad? I'm going to call it PATHETIC.

Those guys are trying to get "nodgrass" money for an obviously doctored card.

I've never bought from Deans because of their slightly higher than going rate prices. I thought they were supposed to be reputable. Slowly moving to the other side, I guess.

Or is it my bad and the $3460 asking price is just another Deans price that is above the normal range for a standard T206.

How the heck did PSA not decline to slab it or encapsulate it in an AUTH/ALT holder?

EDITED TO AD - This is one of those cards that would go through that ebay authentication process right? If so, I wonder if that authentication process would slam it and say HELL NO.

It would easily pass the eBay authenticity program. They are looking for slabs that have been tampered with. They are not regrading anything.

[Fred]

What I don't understand is why PSA would slab it without labeling it ALTERED because the "S" was obviously erased. Or perhaps the TPG grader had no clue what they did when grading it. Perhaps that makes more sense.

This whole ebay authentication thing is confusing. For non-graded cards, would the ebay authentication (or whatever it is) reject it if the card was obviously altered? For example, if the Snodgrass T206 had the "S" erased, would they allow it to be sold? For this reason, it would be nice if the TPGs had graders that knew the series. Ok, next thing to be heard is "well, there's so many different sets that no one can be an expert on everything". Well, T206 is probably one of those premier sets that the TPGs should take note of. All the different errors, the different backs and factories associated with backs, etc.

[Fred]

Sometimes I'm like a dog with a bone...

I sent a message to Deans cards via ebay, here's the message:

I don't see the "S" in the last name. Can an assumption be made that this is the "nodgrass" error card and that's the reason for the $3460 price tag?

I didn't think there'd be a response. But here it is:


Thank you for your inquiry. That is correct, this is the rare variation without the 'S' in 'Snodgrass'. Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns and I would be happy to help. Have a great day.

Well, that's why the card has that price tag, they believe it's an error card. I'd rather see that response than something that alludes to it possibly being an error card. I send a reply letting them know it's not an error card. I'll be diplomatic about it and hope they do a little research on the topic and make their own determination about it.

[Leon]

That's unfortunate.

Originally Posted by Fred

Sometimes I'm like a dog with a bone...

I sent a message to Deans cards via ebay, here's the message:

I don't see the "S" in the last name. Can an assumption be made that this is the "nodgrass" error card and that's the reason for the $3460 price tag?

I didn't think there'd be a response. But here it is:


Thank you for your inquiry. That is correct, this is the rare variation without the 'S' in 'Snodgrass'. Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns and I would be happy to help. Have a great day.

Well, that's why the card has that price tag, they believe it's an error card. I'd rather see that response than something that alludes to it possibly being an error card. I send a reply letting them know it's not an error card. I'll be diplomatic about it and hope they do a little research on the topic and make their own determination about it.

[Fred]

Update - I sent the follow up message:

Would it be possible for the team at Deans to do a little research on the topic of the "nodgrass" error card.

"nodgrass" error cards will have a partial piece of the right side of the "S" still visible from the broken die. The card in question is not an error card. Look closely at the location where the "S" would be. There is evidence of erasure of the "S". When compared to a "nodgrass" card caused by a broken die, the difference will be noticeable.

This is being brought to the attention of Dean's Sports Cards in the spirit of trying to keep Dean's informed.


Received the following response 0n 06FEB24:

Thank you for bringing this to our attention - we will have someone look into this now.

Here's the follow up by Deans later that day:

Hello,

Thanks for your note and for bringing this to our attention. After further review of the card, it appears that the correct variation of the card is "batting" and not the spelling variation of "Nodgrass". We have updated this in our database, and it should update on ebay shortly.

Thanks again,

Michelle Wall - Dean's Cards

The item description indicates Nodgrass error, but with a reduced price from $3460 to $1499. I'll send another message to see if they clean it up. It's been 2 days since that last message was received from Deans.

[Fred]

09FEB24 -

Kudos to Dean's Cards - The item description was updated to remove the reference to the "error" card (nodgrass).

The card was originally $3460, then $1499 and now $350 (after this latest revision).

PSA still missed the erasure of the "S" which, in my book, makes this an AUTH/ALT card.

What's sad is someone may purchase it and then try to pass it off as the error card to someone that doesn't know any better.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/296214811915 (not sure how long the link will be active).

[Gorditadogg]

Down to $350 now.

[Leon]

+1 ...Kudo's for them changing it.
Many ebayers, like that jollyrogers guy, don't give a damn!
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Originally Posted by Fred

09FEB24 -

Kudos to Dean's Cards - The item description was updated to remove the reference to the "error" card (nodgrass).

The card was originally $3460, then $1499 and now $350 (after this latest revision).

PSA still missed the erasure of the "S" which, in my book, makes this an AUTH/ALT card.

What's sad is someone may purchase it and then try to pass it off as the error card to someone that doesn't know any better.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/296214811915 (not sure how long the link will be active).