PSA & wrinkles

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

In fact, at one time, SGC was stricter on surface wrinkles than PSA.'

I would agree with that. I have an older SGC slab on a '56 Ted Wiliams. The card has what I've always considered a wrinkle, but it's more noticeable because in a place it breaks the color surface - so SGC probably considered it an outright crease. Otherwise the card is a 5 all day long based on corners and eye-appeal. They gave it a 3. Slab is probably at least 10 years old. The card was a part of the only grading submission I have ever made; I've had it since I was a kid.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I would agree with that. I have an older SGC slab on a '56 Ted Wiliams. The card has what I've always considered a wrinkle, but it's more noticeable because in a place it breaks the color surface - so SGC probably considered it an outright crease. Otherwise the card is a 5 all day long based on corners and eye-appeal. They gave it a 3. Slab is probably at least 10 years old. The card was a part of the only grading submission I have ever made; I've had it since I was a kid.

Ok so here is where im confused. I picked this up. it's a PSA 4.5 but loosk way better.

Can they really knock it this much for having the slightest wrinkle ever on the back from the E in Joseph to the M in mills? Seriously?

[irv]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Ok so here is where im confused. I picked this up. it's a PSA 4.5 but loosk way better.

Can they really knock it this much for having the slightest wrinkle ever on the back from the E in Joseph to the M in mills? Seriously?

ECV, like me, you're going to have to get use to the fact that there are a lot of variations between grades.

I can only guess, other than being new or older slabs and the known difference nowadays between the 2, but I have also concluded, that in all likely hood, due to differences we will never know, some cards are and will continue to be graded different depending on the day, who did the grading, what mood they were in, etc, etc, etc.

I'll admit, it is very hard to see imperfections in cards posted here sometimes, and this isn't a slam against graders by any means, it's just a conclusion one will eventually come to and have no choice but to accept, sadly.

[DeanH3]

[QUOTE=irv;1511529]ECV, like me, you're going to have to get use to the fact that there are a lot of variations between grades.

+1... This is a good sentiment to accept. And your card is a great example of "buy the card not the holder."

Regarding newer vs older holders. It does seem that PSA has been ridiculously harsh on grading over the last year or so. However, don't assume a new holder = a recently graded card. Many cards have been reholdered so you have to pay attention to the serial number get get a better idea if it's been reholdered or recently graded. PSA does not regrade the card when it's reholdered. So an earlier graded PSA 4 that wouldn't grade a 4 today, stays a 4. I sure hope I made sense with my rambling.

[irv]

[QUOTE=DeanH3;1511546]

Originally Posted by irv

ECV, like me, you're going to have to get use to the fact that there are a lot of variations between grades.

+1... This is a good sentiment to accept. And your card is a great example of "buy the card not the holder."

Regarding newer vs older holders. It does seem that PSA has been ridiculously harsh on grading over the last year or so. However, don't assume a new holder = a recently graded card. Many cards have been reholdered so you have to pay attention to the serial number get get a better idea if it's been reholdered or recently graded. PSA does not regrade the card when it's reholdered. So an earlier graded PSA 4 that wouldn't grade a 4 today, stays a 4. I sure hope I made sense with my rambling.

I wondered about that?

Thanks for clearing that up.

What exactly are those that are choosing to get their cards re-holdered looking for?
I can understand if their original is all scratched or whatever, but if not, then why the reholding?
Is it to make it look like their card(s) has been recently graded in order to retain a higher value that came with the original grade?

Not a bad deal imo, especially since they will know, in most cases, their card(s) will grade lower if they were re-submitted rather than just reslabbed.

Lots of tricks in this business, and I learn more everyday.

[DeanH3]

[QUOTE=irv;1511554]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

I wondered about that?

Thanks for clearing that up.

What exactly are those that are choosing to get their cards re-holdered looking for?
I can understand if their original is all scratched or whatever, but if not, then why the reholding?
Is it to make it look like their card(s) has been recently graded in order to retain a higher value that came with the original grade?

Not a bad deal imo, especially since they will know, in most cases, their card(s) will grade lower if they were re-submitted rather than just reslabbed.

Lots of tricks in this business, and I learn more everyday.

I have had cards reholdered due to the original holder being scratched and beat up so I imagine that has a lot to do with it.

Another reason could be when people send in cards for a review, they ask for the card to be reholdered even if the card doesn't get a bump.

I imagine newer holders are more appealing to buyers than older holders. Although we know that doesn't always mean a more stricter graded card. We then go back to the one main mantra. Buy the card not the holder.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Ok so here is where im confused. I picked this up. it's a PSA 4.5 but loosk way better.

Can they really knock it this much for having the slightest wrinkle ever on the back from the E in Joseph to the M in mills? Seriously?

I think that card is fairly graded. What would it be with out the wrinkle? 5? 5.5? There is wear on all 4 corners and the bottom left is pretty severe. It could have been graded like this

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by rats60

I think that card is fairly graded. What would it be with out the wrinkle? 5? 5.5? There is wear on all 4 corners and the bottom left is pretty severe. It could have been graded like this

Yikes thats a rough 3

[tschock]

Could part of it be that the card is a bit more 'brownish' (more aged looking) than it would have been when issued? Does PSA (or any TPG) take that into consideration when grading? And to what extent?

It also could just be the scan, but it does look like it is 'browned' towards the edges, even inside the borders.