" It's A (Net54) Family Affair "....in completing red HINDU Exclusive 12 sub-set

[tedzan]

The title from Sly and the Family Stone's popular 1971 song best describes this mission. In September 2013, I acquired Doc Crandall with a red HINDU back from
Scott and Leon's auction. Since I already had the Tannehill / red HINDU card, I was motivated to try to see how quick I could complete the 12 subjects that I had
designated as the " Exclusive 12 ". In a prior thread, I made a claim that these 12 guys are considerably easier to find with this very scarce red HINDU back than
the other 31 confirmed red HINDU subjects.

As is evident in the following timeline, in 2 months with the help from my friends on Net54, I had acquired 10 of these 12 red HINDU cards. OK, this was too easy.
Certainly easier than I expected. But, I soon realized.... "It Don't Come Easy" (Ringo Starr, 1971). It took 19 months from when I first started this adventure till I
finally acquired the elusive 12th red HINDU....Jimmy Sheckard.

These 12 guys are the only HINDU cards that were printed in the T206 set's last Series, which comprises of 48 cards that were printed ONLY with 460-type backs.


Subject .................... Net54 source ................... Date

Tannehill......... part of my T206 type collection for many years

Crandall.......... Brockelman & Luckey Auction ...... Sept 30, 2013






Wheat............ REA Auction ...... Oct 2013

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Geyer............. Derek Hogue ...... Oct 2013

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Duffy.............. Chris Browne (trade) ...... Nov 2013

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McGraw.......... Rob Gordy (cash/trade) ...... Nov 2013

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Devore........... Johnny V. ...... Nov 2013






Ford............... Chris Browne ...... Nov 2013
SOLD


Pfeffer........... Jason Miller ...... Nov 2013

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Gandil............ Cory Weiser (cash/trade) .... Nov 2013

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Hummel.......... Mike Rareside ...... Nov 2013
TRADED


Ford................ Jamie Blundell ...... Mar 2014
(upgrade)
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Furthermore, credit goes to Derek Hogue and Johnny V for their scouting work these past 1 1/2 years in hunting down certain red HINDU's for me.



TTOLLY EFHARISTO PHILEE MOU (Greek for....Many Thanks My Friends)


TED Z



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[tedzan]

Subject ...................... Net54 source .............. Date


Hummel.................... Mike Sarno (trade) ...... Dec 2014
(upgrade)
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Sheckard.................. Heritage Auction ...... April 2015

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[atx840]

Nicely done Ted, stoked you got the Sheckard!!

I've only seen one other complete run of these, not an easy or cheap task. Congrats.

[DerekMichael]

Wow Ted. You did it! That is wonderful.

No need for thanks. After all, "thats what friends are forrrrrrrr"

It is funny you mention Sly and the Family Stone. In 1971, my Dad was working for a collections agency, and my Mom was for working for the company that managed Sly and the Family Stone. I cannot recall the name of the management group or the venue that this took place, but after a big gig, the band decided to relive the venue of some of their equipment. It was my Dad's job to retrieve it, and after being passed around by this management group via phone he ends up meeting a young lady named Athena on the other end of the line. They got to talking, long story very, very short, they were married three months later and still are today.

I always get a fuzzy feeling when I hear that band mentioned. Ringo too, because hell, he is a Beatle!

This is a seriously great accomplishment Ted. You have done some really amazing work on these 12 subjects you refer to as the "Exclusive 12". I am not sure if you want to post them in this thread, but I would love to also see your Sovereign 460 and American Beauty 460 Exclusive 12 sets as well.

The Monster can require a great deal of dedication, and it is always fun to see someone complete one of their missions.

Συγχαρητήρια !!!

Derek

[wolf441]

Congratulations Ted!! Glad to see you get to the finish line. It's been fun watching your progress!! Another reason why this is the best board on the net!!

[Sean]

Excellent Ted. Now lets hear more about the "Exclusive 12" Sovereign 460 subset.

[slipk1068]

Very cool subset. Congrats

I'd love a lesson about these 12 cards. Tougher or easier in El Principe? Tolstoi? Sovereign? Piedmont 42?

[mrvster]

A milestone!! THIS IS INCREDIBLE!

No Thanks needed Ted! to Echo what DerekM said.....It made me feel like I accomplished it via you your a Veteran, a scholar, and an asset to our community....your work speaks for itself......you r collection is mazing! and your a generosity is unexplainable, and very easy to deal with...

God Bless....CONGRATS! a GREAT accomplishment.....

Dude...you are the man

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

Nicely done Ted, stoked you got the Sheckard!!

I've only seen one other complete run of these, not an easy or cheap task. Congrats.

Thanks for your help and encouragement during this adventure.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by derekmichael

wow ted. You did it! That is wonderful.

No need for thanks. After all, "thats what friends are forrrrrrrr" :d

it is funny you mention sly and the family stone. In 1971, my dad was working for a collections agency, and my mom was for working for the company that managed sly and the family stone. I cannot recall the name of the management group or the venue that this took place, but after a big gig, the band decided to relive the venue of some of their equipment. It was my dad's job to retrieve it, and after being passed around by this management group via phone he ends up meeting a young lady named athena on the other end of the line. They got to talking, long story very, very short, they were married three months later and still are today.

I always get a fuzzy feeling when i hear that band mentioned. Ringo too, because hell, he is a beatle!

this is a seriously great accomplishment ted. You have done some really amazing work on these 12 subjects you refer to as the "exclusive 12". I am not sure if you want to post them in this thread, but i would love to also see your sovereign 460 and american beauty 460 exclusive 12 sets as well.

The monster can require a great deal of dedication, and it is always fun to see someone complete one of their missions.

Συγχαρητήρια !!!

Derek

Συγχαρητήρια...... one of my favorite Greek compliments....Thanks

That is a really great story about how your Mom and Dad met. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Yes, for you I will post my SOVEREIGN 460 and the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 exclusive 12 sub-sets.

Best Regards to you, your Mom and Dad and Sister. And, wish your Mom a Happy Mother's Day from me.


TED Z
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[Jantz]

Nicely done Ted!

I'm happy for you

So what is your next collecting adventure?


Jantz

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by slipk1068

Very cool subset. Congrats

I'd love a lesson about these 12 cards. Tougher or easier in El Principe? Tolstoi? Sovereign? Piedmont 42?

These tougher T206 backs are more available with the Exclusive 12 guys than they are with their 350/460 or 460-only series "cousins"......

AMERICAN BEAUTY 460
SOVEREIGN 460


These tougher T206 backs are more available with the Exclusive 12 guys than they are with the 350/460 series red HINDU cards......

Red HINDU
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #42


These T206 backs are tougher to find with the Exclusive 12 guys than they are with other 350/460 or 460-only series cards with these two backs......

CYCLE 460
El PRINCIPE de GALES


The Exclusive 12 guys are VERY RARELY found with......

OLD MILL
UZIT


And, the Exclusive 12 guys were NOT PRINTED with these two backs......

LENOX
PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42


The Exclusive 12 subjects of course are quite available with these backs......

PIEDMONT 460, Factory #25
POLAR BEAR
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #25
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #42 (overprint)
TOLSTOI


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[MVSNYC]

Ted- congrats!! Amazing.

It's always fun trading with you.

[ullmandds]

Congrats Ted...I guess you may as well go for the whole red hindu set at this point???

[Rob D.]

Mission accomplished! Here's hoping you'll have all 12 cards together at the National so they can be seen in person.

[Northviewcats]

Congratulations Ted on your accomplishment. I especially like how you credit the collectors that helped you on the way. You are a class act.

Best regards,

Joe

[Luke]

Congrats Ted! Very impressive accomplishment!

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by tedzan

These tougher T206 backs are more available with the Exclusive 12 guys than they are with their 350/460 or 460-only series "cousins"......

AMERICAN BEAUTY 460
SOVEREIGN 460


These tougher T206 backs are more available with the Exclusive 12 guys than they are with the 350/460 series red HINDU cards......

Red HINDU
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #42


These T206 backs are tougher to find with the Exclusive 12 guys than they are with other 350/460 or 460-only series cards with these two backs......

CYCLE 460
El PRINCIPE de GALES


The Exclusive 12 guys are VERY RARELY found with......

OLD MILL
UZIT


And, the Exclusive 12 guys were NOT PRINTED with these two backs......

LENOX
PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42


The Exclusive 12 subjects of course are quite available with these backs......

PIEDMONT 460, Factory #25
POLAR BEAR
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #25
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30
SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #42 (overprint)
TOLSTOI


TED Z
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Thank you Ted. You sir, are an asset to the hobby.

[tedzan]

Per your requests....the Exclusive 12 with SOVEREIGN 460 backs.

Empirical evidence indicates that these 12 guys were printed in larger quantities than the other 36 subjects that were also printed ONLY with 460-type backs.











Derek

I will post my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 cards of these 12 guys in a forthcoming post here.


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[tedzan]

I'm overwhelmed with your complimentary words. What can I say

You are a great buddy....Thanks.

And, next time I'm at the Jersey shore in Point Pleasant, we'll have to meet and talk T206's.


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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Congrats Ted...I guess you may as well go for the whole red hindu set at this point???

No go......the only other red HINDU in my collection is one of my favorite dudes....."Turkey Mike" Donlin.

There are 35 possible red HINDU cards in the 350/460 series; and, I ain't about to start looking for them.







Anyhow, thanks for the suggestion


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Nicely done Ted!

I'm happy for you

So what is your next collecting adventure?


Jantz

Thanks, good buddy.

My next adventure continues with these 12 guys on a tougher challenge than these red HINDU's. Completing an OLD MILL run.

To date, I'm only 1/3 of the way to the finish line............






They ain't too pretty; anyway, I take them any way I can get them. Trust me guys, these dudes are extremely tough to find.



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[sreader3]

Congrats Ted.

And thanks for sharing the acquisition timeline -- that was a nice touch.

Scot

[tedzan]

Back in 2005, I decided to break up my T206 set to work on an all - PIEDMONT set. I was fascinated by this Zach Wheat in this set.
So in parallel with my PIEDMONT set adventure, I started working toward completing an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 (74-card) sub-set.

As a consequence of my AB 460 search, it was obvious that certain AB 460 cards (especially 12) were more available than others in
the 460-only Series. And, this observation resulted in my Exclusive 12 theory.
















At the Oaks (PA) show in 2011, I acquired this Gandil to complete my Exclusive 12 / AB 460 sub-set.

Todd Marcum and I were set up at adjacent booths; and, we worked out a great trade. I traded 44 cards [including a Dahlen (Brooklyn)]
to Todd, that got him to 500+ cards for his T206 set. Todd traded me this Gandil, and some miscellaneous goodies.


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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Mission accomplished! Here's hoping you'll have all 12 cards together at the National so they can be seen in person.

I had 11 of these 12 red HINDU cards on display at my booth all week last summer at the Cleveland National.


So, where were you ? ?


TED Z
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[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I had 11 of these 12 red HINDU cards on display at my booth all week last summer at the Cleveland National.


So, where were you ? ?


TED Z
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Awesome, Ted! Looking forward to seeing all 12 in Chicago!

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Congrats Ted.

And thanks for sharing the acquisition timeline -- that was a nice touch.

Scot

I appreciate your kind words.

I certainly wanted to give credit to the guys on this forum who were rooting for me to complete this challenge.
Without their assistance, I would probably still be searching for some of these red HINDU cards.

Incidentally, I have some interesting T206 news to share with you. I will call you this afternoon.


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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Northviewcats

Congratulations Ted on your accomplishment. I especially like how you credit the collectors that helped you on the way. You are a class act.

Best regards,

Joe

Thanks for the complimentary words, I really appreciate them.

I look forward to seeing you at the Cooperstown Show in July.


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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Congratulations Ted!! Glad to see you get to the finish line. It's been fun watching your progress!! Another reason why this is the best board on the net!!

Thanks......and you are right, it has been lots of fun. I really enjoy a T206 challenge. But, I must admit that I was beginning to wonder if I would find the Sheckard red HINDU.
There appears to be only about 5 (or less) of them in circulation.


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[tedzan]

Double post.

[tedzan]

For those of you that are interested in POP report #s, the following lists the POP report data regarding the 43 confirmed red HINDU cards.
Note that several UNGRADED red HINDU cards that I have (or had) are also included in these POP numbers.

While I realize POP report data cannot be considered as absolute, I think it is fair to say that the POP data is representative of the relative
availability of certain cards with respect to other cards.

Therefore, comparing the POP report data of the "Exclusive 12" red HINDU cards with respect to the 350/460 series red HINDU cards, it is
quite evident from the numbers of the Exclusive 12 guys that they were printed in greater numbers than the 350/460 series guys.

POP # = PSA + SGC + Ungraded red HINDU cards in my collection


460-only series

POP #.....Subject

14........Crandall (cap)
8..........Devore
14........Duffy
10........Ford
9..........Gandil
8..........Geyer
15........Hummel
10........McGraw (glove at hip)
7..........Pfeffer
7..........Sheckard (glove)
12........Tannehill (Chicago)
14........Wheat


To date, 31 subjects have been confirmed with the red HINDU back in the 350/460 series.


POP #.....Subject

7..........Baker **
2..........Bender (no trees)
5..........M. Brown (Chicago)
3..........Chance (portrait-yellow)
3..........Chase (blue)
0..........Chase (dark cap)
5..........Cobb (red portrait)
2..........Davis (A's)
2..........Donlin (bat)
2..........Doolan (bat)
1..........Dougherty (arm in air)
2..........Downey (bat)
1..........Larry Doyle (bat)
0..........Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
3..........Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
3..........Griffith (bat)
5..........Johnson (pitching)
2..........Joss (pitching)
4..........Kleinow (Boston)
2..........Konetchy (glove low)

2..........Magee (bat)
1..........Murphy (batting)
1..........O'Leary (hands on knees)
0..........Rucker (throwing)
3..........Seymour (throwing)
4..........Snodgrass (catching)
3..........Stahl (glove)
1..........Street (fielding)
2..........Sweeney (fielding)
1..........Willis (throwing)
3..........CYoung (glove

Note **.....It appears that Baker was most likely Double-Printed on the sheet comprising of the 350/460 series cards.

Furthermore, the following 4 subjects in the 350/460 series have yet to be confirmed with the red HINDU back. All 4
of these subjects are possible with this back.

Ames (hands above head)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago))
Reulbach (no glove)





Hey guys, these POP report numbers are from 2014. Any new POP numbers on these cards are appreciated.....and, I will update the listing.


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