New SGC Look?

[frankbmd]

I must confess that one of the advantages of the old flips is that sometimes you can only see the upper half of the cert number until you get the card.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Many companies will test market a product and study the consumer feedback before releasing it into the marketplace. I hope SGC uses this thread as their test audience and proceeds accordingly. Obviously, with near universal dislike of this label- count me among those who think it looks awful- hopefully they will reconsider the change.

That's only for companies that seek to make a profit.


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[Tomman1961]

I walked in Tuesday with 2 cards (I live 40 miles from them). The 2 cards I got back were in the "old" style. Green borders, I had a card done by them in 2005 and the label looks the same. Unlesss I am not understanding the term "FLIP".
Thanks-Tom

[Leon]

Here is the new flip and it has been changed on the cards on their website...

[ullmandds]

tHAT'S A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT...PERSONALLY i THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO CARRY THE GREEN BORDER AROUND THE PERIPHERY.

[e107collector]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

tHAT'S A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT...PERSONALLY i THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO CARRY THE GREEN BORDER AROUND THE PERIPHERY.

Pete,

I agree. I like the "SGC" micro print watermarks throughout, but I think by leaving the green border on the flip, it would look very nice. Just my opinion.

Can any of the photoshop experts create a SGC slab with the new flip, and put it a T-206 card in the pic? Just to see what it may look like? The cards they pictured on their website, were newer full sized cards.

Tony

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

tHAT'S A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT...PERSONALLY i THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO CARRY THE GREEN BORDER AROUND THE PERIPHERY.

I agree (but not quite as emphatically).

[The Nasty Nati]

Agreed change will come no matter what, but I think that by simply adding a green border to the flip this will make thousands of collectors happy. Our old slabs may no longer be uniform with the new, but with the added green border they will at least look close.

[ZachS]

The new flip isn't TOO bad but I agree that the current one looks better. I'm also with the group that thinks the new flip would look much better with the green border.

Here's an idea of what the new flip would look like with a simple green border all the way around:

[jhs5120]

In my opinion, it looks better with the border. Novice collectors identify SGC with the flip. If you change the color scheme, people will notice.

[gorrister]

[Blackie]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

Thank goodness you posted this. I was on my way to a skyscraper to jump.

me too......lol

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

And then when it comes to the cards themselves, members generally agree in unison and chime in with the Net54 mantra "Buy the card and not the holder".
If the holder and the flip are so (expletive deleted) important, more so than the card itself, isn't the mantra a bit hypocritical?

Agreed, this whole thing shows how much emphasis people truly put on the holders. Takes away from emphasis on the card.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Agreed, this whole thing shows how much emphasis people truly put on the holders. Takes away from emphasis on the card.

I understand that, buy the card, not the holder yadda yadda yadda.....but if you are OCD or like your collection to match, then mix-match flips will drive you bonkers if you are building a set!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

in my opinion, it looks better with the border. Novice collectors identify sgc with the flip. If you change the color scheme, people will notice.

+1...the green border makes a difference.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I agree (but not quite as emphatically).

damn work computer requires caps lock!

[Vol]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I understand that, buy the card, not the holder yadda yadda yadda.....but if you are OCD or like your collection to match, then mix-match flips will drive you bonkers if you are building a set!

This is going to drive the set builders crazy.

The flip doesn't look as good, that is just the simple truth.

[The Nasty Nati]

This looks better, but I would make the green border on top slightly thicker to match the style of the old ones.

[Blackie]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

This looks better, but I would make the green border on top slightly thicker to match the style of the old ones.

I agree .........I think they should consider the green border

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I understand that, buy the card, not the holder yadda yadda yadda.....but if you are OCD or like your collection to match, then mix-match flips will drive you bonkers if you are building a set!

Totally agree, that's why I collect raw.

Well, that's one of many reasons I should say.

[arc2q]

I like the new website. I was not sure what you guys were referring to because my iPhone appears to link to a cached site that still looks like the old one. But when I logged on with an actual PC it goes to the new site. Looks good.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by sb1

Changing the flips is a major mistake in my opinion, as others have stated they have no resemblance to the current ones and will make sets and collections non-cohesive. At least when PSA makes changes to the flips they somewhat resemble the older ones. And just when I thought I might go ALL SGC with my set????

+1

Why on Earth would they change the flip so drastically? Looks very early 1990's, when all of those start-up grading companies were trying to break in...Bad idea.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

+1

Why on Earth would they change the flip so drastically? Looks very early 1990's, when all of those start-up grading companies were trying to break in...Bad idea.

Hey Mike
Did you see the new flip just posted above? It is anything but poorly done or 1990s, in my not so humble opinion. It looks very nice to me but would be even better with a green border. I am not OCD and don't care as much about the holders as I do the cards.....and realize it does matter more to many other collectors so am not pushing my thoughts on others. I am merely giving one opinion.

[Jantz]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

This will hurt the resale value of SGC cards.

We can only hope.

I still need quite a few cards to complete my set.

But Hey, turn lemons into lemonade.

This adds a whole new dimension to my collection.

I'm going to do a flip run, you know, kinda like T206 collectors do a back run of a certain player.


Jantz

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Those new flips are GAI.

Adam, just wanted to let you know that I got your joke.

[glchen]

I noticed that the new flip no longer has a bar code. Not sure if that's important to anyone. I know that sometimes I check the bar code to see if it matches w/ the cert # if I think the flip may be fake. That may no longer be necessary w/ the new watermark.

[atx840]

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Jantz

We can only hope.

I still need quite a few cards to complete my set.

In the spirit of compassion I am also willing to buy some of the newly holdered cards at 70% retail. I know that offer may shock some of you but I want to do the right thing.

[Howe’s Hunter]

Any time I get one of Howe's cards that has been graded, by anyone, I bust it out and put it in the binder. But I've always thought that at some point and time (maybe card 300, or 500, or whatever) I'd send them all off to be graded, in hopes of getting consecutively numbered cards back. And I always thought it would be SGC I would send them too, because of the black gasket that makes any card pop compared to the plain plastic around others, and an overall look of elegance, compared to other graded cards.

Now, with this ugly white-for-the-most-part flip, which almost draws the eye to the flip instead of the card, guess I'll be saving all my money to buy more cards to go in to the binder, and forget about SGC.

[Rich Klein]

I agree with everyone who put the new borders in green. That design will stand out at a show, etore, etc. In addition, it takes the design out of the PRO, MGS design realm.

[jerrys]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I'm sitting here in amazement at the irony of this thread and others.

Members chime in unison about the poor quality of the holders (any TPG) and rail on about fraudulent cards being placed in cracked holders and resold, holders (or gaskets) that don't hold the cards, or holders that are too thick or too thin.

Then the members in unison get all bent out of shape and chime in about a change in flips, whose sole purpose is to identify the card, certify its authenticity and assign an opinion regarding its condition.

And then when it comes to the cards themselves, members generally agree in unison and chime in with the Net54 mantra "Buy the card and not the holder".
If the holder and the flip are so (expletive deleted) important, more so than the card itself, isn't the mantra a bit hypocritical?

Furthermore these threads tend to promote behavior seen in lemmings with someone expressing their "personal" opinion (regarding the flip for example) and then the entire symphony orchestra feels compelled to respond in harmony.

Change is inevitable. Some will resist. Others will adapt. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but following a leader in lockstep didn't work in Jonestown for the Koolaid drinkers.

Be independent, my friends, and don't get swept away by the wave of a Net54 thread. Maybe everyone should design a flip they would be happy with and post it. Do you think we would agree on which one is the best? I respectfully think not.

The SGC management decision to change their label has drawn negative comments from SGC customers who have invested in their product and much prefer the as is look and to have uniformity in their collection. There is no need for your arrogant insult comparing us to "follow the leader" lemmings or your hackneyed philosophy.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jerrys

The SGC management decision to change their label has drawn negative comments from SGC customers who have invested in their product and much prefer the as is look and to have uniformity in their collection. There is no need for your arrogant insult comparing us to "follow the leader" lemmings or your hackneyed philosophy.

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

[usernamealreadytaken]

C'mon. No need for fighting. Let's get back to what we are all in this hobby for . . . the flips . . .

[h2oya311]

It's just....too....much!

New holder + new flip + new website
Is equivalent to:
New job + new house + new baby

Way too much to bite off at one time.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

It's just....too....much!

New holder + new flip + new website
Is equivalent to:
New job + new house + new baby

Way too much to bite off at one time.

Maybe that is why I don't mind it because I did the New Job/Career + New House + New Baby (actually had to leave the hospital to get papers singed on the house in a quick deadline) just last year.

[Republicaninmass]

How about infinite guaranteed days on autographed cards, I can't find that on their new site, yet that's what I was told after my 20 day guaranteed submission, 35 days later

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

Are you saying that we should think for ourselves?!?!?!

[GregMitch34]

I love it when people who disagree with a majority claim most in the majority are just "following" leaders like lemmings (or want to be just part of "the crowd") and therefore their views can be discounted. Who are these leaders here? And why in the world would anyone here be afraid to express a contrary opinion?

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

I love it when people who disagree with a majority claim most in the majority are just "following" leaders like lemmings (or want to be just part of "the crowd") and therefore their views can be discounted. Who are these leaders here? And why in the world would anyone here be afraid to express a contrary opinion?

If people are just following a leader than it is obvious that I am not one of these "leaders" as I think I am the only one that said that I didn't mind the new one. In fact, I really don't want a dominant color on the flip.

Originally Posted by Leon

I didn't take it that way. I took it that he was saying we should make our own decisions based on our own thoughts, and not follow what others say for the sake of following, but maybe I am under a false apprehension?

I'd like to believe we are all independent thinkers who just happen to agree that the new flip design is terrible. It's somewhat insulting that Frank believes we are mindless drones playing follow the leader. I hate the new design because it looks terrible to me, not because others dislike it. It won't prevent me from buying an SGC graded card but it likely will prevent me from using their service, so I find the whole 'buy the card not the holder' argument being thrown in our face by Frank as mildly insulting as well.

[calvindog]

Maybe SGC should just man up. Definitely not seeing anyone man up over there.

Has there been any response from SGC? It sounds like Leon has had some correspondence, but no actual company statement as of yet. It's just hard to believe that the current design is their best effort and the response in this thread has been overwhelmingly negative which you would think extends beyond the net54 community.

[Leon]

I was told SGC will most likely put out a statement later today or tomorrow. They do read this board frequently and take the comments under consideration. I am sure they want to take care of their customers while improving as much as they can. Sometimes when decisions have to be made you can try to appease the masses but "everyone" will never be happy. It is impossible.

Personally I think if they put the green border around it then that is about all I could ask for. But I am not the masses, nor a set collector, nor a holder collector so it doesn't make as much difference to me as it does others. And I don't even know that putting a green border around it is feasible? Sometimes printing can be tricky..

And I hope I wasn't putting words in Frank's mouth before when I said what I thought he meant. That was a faux pas on my part. I can barely keep up with myself.

I should add that my graded collection IS almost entirely in SGC holders.

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by Leon

I was told SGC will most likely put out a statement later today or tomorrow. They do read this board frequently and take the comments under consideration. I am sure they want to take care of their customers while improving as much as they can. Sometimes when decisions have to be made you can try to appease the masses but "everyone" will never be happy. It is impossible.

Personally I think if they put the green border around it then that is about all I could ask for. But I am not the masses, nor a set collector, nor a holder collector so it doesn't make as much difference to me as it does others. And I don't even know that putting a green border around it is feasible? Sometimes printing can be tricky..

And I hope I wasn't putting words in Frank's mouth before when I said what I thought he meant. That was a faux pas on my part. I can barely keep up with myself.

I should add that my graded collection IS almost entirely in SGC holders.

Thanks for all your efforts Leon! I thought the images today with the water mark looked better than yesterday's white appearing label. The green border would certainly go a long way towards pleasing many of us loyal SGC customers and give a better sense of continuity.
Paul C

[ullmandds]

You guys should cut Frank some slack...much of what he speaks is the truth...and he's a bit of a sarcastic...wise-ass kinda guy..like me...but he's a lot smarter than I.

On the note at hand...and in opposition of Franks words...I think the flip is very important in aiding in projecting the TPG's image. The Flip should be appealing to the eye...somewhat unique...be written in an easy to read/boldish type font...have some form of id #...and should state the issue and grade in a clear and concise manner...and I almost forgot...almost impossible to falsify.

Additionally...if I were an established TPG with a good reputation...I'd want my Flip to remain recognizable and identifiable as mine...despite changes and evolution of the flip...while still complementing older versions of the flip.

In summary I'd want my flip to be like a porsche 911...or vw beetle!

[kelleyrj1]

how do you pull up prior and current submission list on new sgc site?

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by kelleyrj1

how do you pull up prior and current submission list on new sgc site?

Apparently no one told SGC or SimpleAuctionSite (I believe the vendor for the new website) that there are these things called tablets and smartphones that don't have the concept of "hover." The "red bar" near the top does not work on the About, Submit Cards or Resources text. On a PC/Mac, hover over those to get a list. Proper implementation would be that a click would also display the sublist for those areas.

[Luke]

I'm one of the OCD set collectors who will be annoyed if this drastic change happens. But I'm trying to be less OCD, so I I'll do my best to roll with it.

[kelleyrj1]

thanks t206hound! i'll try that. always something new to deal with.
i guess life is like that, if there was not something new all the time,
life would be boresome. if sgc changes it format, we'll just have to
change with it. been dealing with sgc for years. always been good
to me.

[kelleyrj1]

just checked sgc web site, they put a drop down "check invoice" on it.
not all data is inputted yet. but at least they are trying.