Good News From PSA on Bumps

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Posted By: JimCrandell

While my resubmission of nearly 450 or so cards had less than 10% upgrades
(all cards passed the strict standards of PSA again upon close examination), it neverthess had good news. Ten of the 40 upgrades crossed to 9s(all pre-war) and 4 of my 33 Goudey Sport Kings Set bumped to 8.5. Particularly noteworthy was that two of my cards obtained from collector extraordinaire and HOF member Don Louchios in THE trade bumped to 8.5--Ty Cobb and Bobby Jones--creating thousands of dollars in value in one fell swoop.

Its a happy night.

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Posted By: Jerry

My SGC40 E90-1 Common was better than I thought it was going to be.

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Posted By: Rob D.

all cards passed the strict standards of PSA again

A funny night, too, Jim. Thanks for the chuckle.

And congrats!

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

We are all so happy for you we can hardly contain the excitement.
-Rhett

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Posted By: Anthony N.

How did you do on the Tango Eggs Jennings?

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Hi Anthony,

I think that one stayed at an 8.

Annabelle just sent me the certs that crossed and I did not check that one. Just checked my 9s and my 33 Goudey Sport Kings Set.

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Posted By: Kenny Cole

That was pretty funny, although I suspect the humor was entirely inadvertent. Did any of the cards have printing at the bottom, or, perhaps the better question is, were they supposed to? I hear PSA sometimes doesn't do quite as well with them. In any event, congrats on having passed PSA's "strict standards upon close examination." I'm sure you must be proud.

Kenny Cole

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Posted By: Dave F

I'm so happy Jim I could slap an elderly woman around and steal her purse. Congrats buddy.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Kenny,

Absolutely.

Under close examination all of my cards were deemed legit--looks like all the care I put into buying them has paid off--and of course having Cobb and Bobby Jones bumped to an 8.5 is out of this world. Not enough to overtake Ireland but it may allow me to pass all-world collector Don Spence and move into 4th place--perhaps the first time I have ever passed him in a set!

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

I'm curious if Jim's experience on the bumps is above the average of the typical PSA customer who submits blindly. I'll bet just about anything that his average is higher.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jeff,

Reflecting the care I put into when purchasing the cards and my keen eye I presume .

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Posted By: Dave F

or perhaps reflecting the fact you carry their payroll the weeks you submit.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

At least until Spence sends his collection to PSA to once again go under that close examination and strict standard for a second time at a reduced rate.

PSA: Fleecing the competitive nature of the PSA registry folks since 1993

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Posted By: MVSNYC

jim- obviously starting such a self-stroking post is gonna get tons of negative responses...so be prepared.

onto the subject at hand...

"Under close examination all of my cards were deemed legit"

someone correct me if i'm wrong, but during a bump review, PSA will ONLY either keep the card the same or bump it. there is no chance for it to be deemed not legit or get lowered during this review.

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

At less than 10 percent it does not sound to me like Jim got any special treatment.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

To my Georgia neighbor,

Carry their payroll?!

Joe has sworn me to secrecy but I am sure you would be surprised at what my submission price is. I couldn't fund the Alpharetta Chess Club.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Mike, that's correct.

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Posted By: Dave F

Your correct Michael. Jim is just being Jim.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Peter, a) you don't know what the bump average is on prewar cards; and b) it is clear that Jim did get special treatment on his submission costs.

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Posted By: leon

Jim is the only person I know who equals more population than the Group......

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Mike,

Self-stroking???? I thought board members would be interested in how I do in resubmitting my collection. I'm sure you will be interested in my 150 T206 PSA 8s.

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

How do you know what I know? In fact, the unstated premise of my post was that I have spoken to several guys who submitted a fair number of cards for reviews and Jim's results are consistent with theirs.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Peter, are these regular people submitting blindly? Or PSA HOF members (sorry, just typing that makes me laugh out loud) with special submission deals with PSA?

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Just tryin to make y'alls board more interesting Leon with some real prewar card chatter--now get back to work on your next catalogue so I can be a happy customer of B&L auctions

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jeff,

We HOF members equate the PSA HOF with Cooperstown so show some respect!!!

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Posted By: Kenny Cole

LOL, I think "blindly" is the key word in your post. After having seen the good work done by PSA in the Kelly post, its difficult for me to get too excited about PSA's "close examination." I wonder if the blind grader still works for them, and, if so, what sort of ADA accomodation was made for him/her.

edited to delete an excess word

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

Two dealers and one collector. All seemed to be at about the ten percent level. If that is in fact what is happening on a broader scale, I suppose there are two possiblities. One, they are applying their standards consistently and only about 10 percent of 8s meet the more exacting requirements for 8.5. Two, they have a predetermined percentage they want to bump and it is somewhat arbitrary.

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Posted By: Alan

Mazel Tov Jim !!!
I'll see you at the National.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Of course Peter Spaeth is correct here(naturally). His percentages are right on the money. To suggest I get preferential treatment on grades is ludicrous.

Kenny Cole--are you saying that Reza does not know what he is doing--the guy has a great rep in the hobby among serious collectors and dealers.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Peter, fair observation. It's hard to imagine that PSA graders are awake enough that of all cards submitted for a bump just 10% make the grade via fair reviews. Much more likely that Orlando -- he of the $9 stock price, half of what it was three years ago -- has determined that 10% is the number, period.

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Jim:

Nice bumps. The Cobb must be stellar. Show us a scan!

Are the T206s going in?

-Al

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Jim, I bet you would be surprised how little everyone here cares about your submission results. How many times do you have to tell us that you are getting a "special rate" on submissions, does it make you feel special? Honestly, do you see any other threads on this forum similar to this one? You aren't the only collector sending cards in for submission.

I am genuinely happy for you that you got some more "equity" in your collection. You have a great collection, nobody denies that, but when come here talking about "numbers" on a slab, how does that edify and uplift this forum?

Just my 2-cents
-Rhett

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Posted By: Kenny Cole

I'm saying look at the Kelly post, which is pretty distressing. Then tell me why and how excited I should be about PSA's grading abilities.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Jim,

Looks like your new non-altered collection is coming along nicely. You really do have a desercning eye. Congrats to Net54's resident uber-collector!

I'm sure I speak on behalf of the rest of us armpit collectors when I express how proud I am to have the honor of posting in the same thread as you.

Thanks for sharing with us!

-Ryan

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Thanks Alan--whatever that means--hope to make it to the National.

I know everyone is on pins and needles over who will be inducted into the Hall this coming year, the famous PSA luncheon and of course JPs and Mastro's parties. Now if they only had some cards I needed at the National.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Jim, you work in NYC -- do you really not know what the term "Mazel Tov" means?

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Posted By: MVSNYC

Jim- i'm easing-off of PSA 8 T206's, market for them is too volatile...getting into other areas of collecting.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Ryan,

You're welcome--appreciate it.

Rhett,

Really--I doubt it--I just set a net 54 record in how quickly one could go from zero to 35 posts at a time when most posters are in bed. If you are not interested fine--

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Posted By: Matt

Not only that - you've distracted everyone from another post showing how Microsoft is giving away hundreds of dollars for free. That's more impressive then the post count.

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Jim, I am simply responding to when you stated "I thought board members would be interested in how I do in resubmitting my collection"
-Rhett

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Mike,

You are right about the volatility. Just when I started to sell some the market dropped.

Hey--your turn to buy me a drink in NYC.

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Posted By: Alan

Jim - It just means congratulations. You joke, but I'm actually rather curious to find out who the 2008 PSA HOF inductees are.

Alan

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

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Posted By: MVSNYC

Jim- fair enough. i'm in Italy next week...maybe the following week.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

The real question that comes to my mind is how does Ryan remember the exact misspelling of "discerning" every time he posts it?

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Alan,

Thanks for the explanation.

I am very interested as well. Last year I sent Joe an e-mail saying that while Don Spence was a no-brainer for the Hall of Fame he really should not overlook Steve Soloway who has an incredibly extensive collection--just lower grade than current HOFers.For the first year ever, Joe accepted two into the Hall.

I have not given it as much thought but three names that come to mind for induction into this year's Hall are Greg Ireland based on his extensive high-grade pre-war collection, MOSH(Museum of Sports History) based on a simply unbelievably extensive high grade football card collection and Mike Rakosi-- the king of high grade vintage basketball. I hope he takes two again.

Anthony, Peter, Alan what do you think?

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jeff,

Someone else did it last week but I would appreciate it if people did not bring up my employer's name on the boards. Thanks

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Jim, fair enough.

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

Jim not sure there are enough basketball sets (not counting the real modern stuff) that it would make sense to include Rakosi in the company of the other guys whose collections are so extensive; that said it is phenomenal what he has.

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Posted By: JimB

A small sample, but just for comparison's sake, I submitted about 15 of my E93s (cherry picked the ones I thought had the best shot) and about 15 other cards from throughout my collection. I got four total bumps - two E93s, two others - out of thirty cards submitted. I am by no means a big customer for PSA and it looks as though I got a higher percentage bumped (13.3%) than Crandall. I must say that I am still baffled that some of the others did not get bumps. These are a couple that I thought were sure things.
JimB