Not again! This is why I have a problem with PWCC!! Sorry for the rant!

[CMIZ5290]

Shocker....Dysfunction due to Brent at PWCC.. Do you guys understand how silly this is over and over?? Brent, please tell me you're not laughing! This guy is invincible, just ask EBAY!

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Shocker....Dysfunction due to Brent at PWCC.. Do you guys understand how silly this is over and over?? Brent, please tell me you're not laughing! This guy is invincible, just ask EBAY!

PWCC is what it is. I think their auctions have tailed off dramatically in high quality stuff in 2017 vs. the last few years. I don't see the $25,000, $50,000 and $100,000 cards with anywhere approaching the frequency of 2015-16. Where are the Cracker Jack 7s and 8s? Or the Gehrig rookies? They still have great volume but I think people with high end stuff have wised up. Others can (and probably will) disagree. If you are not willing to shill your auction, and many of us aren't, I think are a very risky choice.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

PWCC is what it is. I think their auctions have tailed off dramatically in high quality stuff in 2017 vs. the last few years. I don't see the six figure cards with anywhere approaching the frequency of 2015-16. Where are the Cracker Jack 7s and 8s? Or the Gehrig rookies? They still have great volume but I think people with high end stuff have wised up. Others can (and probably will) disagree. If you are not willing to shill your auction, and many of us aren't, I think are a very risky choice.

Fair enough Steve, but I dont see it. I would love to see a decline in his business, yet to see it though...

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

PWCC is what it is. I think their auctions have tailed off dramatically in high quality stuff in 2017 vs. the last few years. I don't see the $25,000, $50,000 and $100,000 cards with anywhere approaching the frequency of 2015-16. Where are the Cracker Jack 7s and 8s? Or the Gehrig rookies? They still have great volume but I think people with high end stuff have wised up. Others can (and probably will) disagree. If you are not willing to shill your auction, and many of us aren't, I think are a very risky choice.

The facts would not support your observation.

[cardsnstuff]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

PWCC is what it is. I think their auctions have tailed off dramatically in high quality stuff in 2017 vs. the last few years. I don't see the $25,000, $50,000 and $100,000 cards with anywhere approaching the frequency of 2015-16. Where are the Cracker Jack 7s and 8s? Or the Gehrig rookies? They still have great volume but I think people with high end stuff have wised up. Others can (and probably will) disagree. If you are not willing to shill your auction, and many of us aren't, I think are a very risky choice.

If I am not willing to shill does PWCC bring close to VCP? or what would you say are some quick & viable other options. When I sell myself I just don't get the eyes on my auctions/items.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by cardsnstuff

If I am not willing to shill does PWCC bring close to VCP? or what would you say are some quick & viable other options. When I sell myself I just don't get the eyes on my auctions/items.

I wish I knew the answer...I really do. Robert Edwards auctions seem to do well, but then again, look at the lot Battlfield won from REA recently and then broke up on Ebay for a whole lot more. There seems to be no exact science for who gets the best prices and what venue to utilize. It all seems to be a gamble.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

...but then again, look at the lot Battlfield won from REA recently and then broke up on Ebay for a whole lot more.

Out of curiosity, what lot was that?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Out of curiosity, what lot was that?

Lot #1247....there was mention of it on another thread on Net54.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Lot #1247....there was mention of it on another thread on Net54.

Thanks. Missed that thread.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I wish I knew the answer...I really do. Robert Edwards auctions seem to do well, but then again, look at the lot Battlfield won from REA recently and then broke up on Ebay for a whole lot more. There seems to be no exact science for who gets the best prices and what venue to utilize. It all seems to be a gamble.

Impossible question to answer. Cards trade erractically. Sometimes there are a few motivated bidders who are consistently driving certain cards higher. Up, up, up. A bull market. Other times certain cards go up dramatically and come back off that pretty quickly. And in other times there is little demand at all until someone steps forward and gets it for a steal. If it is moderately priced card with good general demand among hardcore collectors I'd say PWCC probably gets an OK price in most cases even without shilling. I think they major auction houses do better with high end items as they write amazing/ridiculous write ups in slick glossy catalogs which motivate people to believe they are getting a once in a life opportunity to grab something magical. And those catalogs no doubt appeal to extremely well heeled bankers and other rich guys who aren't perusing ebay like me all day and night looking for bargains.
Long winded way of saying no one knows. Too many factors for a simple answer.