Simple Auction Site

[Leon]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Ok. Great. I never, once said you did look at max bids nor anyone else. I simply said it concretely does exist. I'm glad to hear you confirm this though.

Kevin

NO, it doesn't concretely exist.
Again, I just feel you are being divisive, as usual. The s/w has the ability to be programmed, by the provider only, to do whatever an auction house wants. It DOES NOT exist with the B and L software. I just want to set the record straight as much as you continue to try to contort it. You are continually barking up the wrong tree. Ask the auction houses, not the provider.

And if I were an auction house and got asked a question by someone such as yourself, a hacker-wannabe, I would completely disregard you or ban you from my auctions. You really are just a trouble maker imo.....

I want to add, I think it is 100% permissible to question just about anything at any time. But there can become a time when that questioning becomes abusive. All of the answers have been given at this point. To continue questioning the same thing, to me, is badgering.

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Leon

And if I were an auction house and got asked a question by someone such as yourself, a hacker-wannabe, I would completely disregard you or ban you from my auctions. You really are just a trouble maker imo.....

Wouldn't take much more than a wanna-be, I could tell you that much. Kids know how to exploit websites now a days. It's pretty self explanatory stuff any more.

I mean how hard is it to exploit a vbulletin 3.8.1 installation from 2009? Anyone can do that sort of thing. Surely you would have to better than a wannabe to do something like that wouldn't you?

I find it better to be on the side of know how, than ignorance. Wouldn't you agree with that?

Kevin

[Leon]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

Wouldn't take much more than a wanna-be, I could tell you that much. Kids know how to exploit websites now a days. It's pretty self explanatory stuff any more.

I mean how hard is it to exploit a vbulletin 3.8.1 installation from 2009? Anyone can do that sort of thing. Surely you would have to better than a wannabe to do something like that wouldn't you?

I find it better to be on the side of know how, than ignorance. Wouldn't you agree with that?

Kevin

I always want to expose fraud, security issues and bad activity in the hobby. Historically speaking, this site's members are good at that. I believe shining a light on things is much better than keeping them in the dark. I believe your intentions might be in the right place (not positive) but since you have all the answers you have asked for, at this point, a slightly different path on your journey would seem prudent. It is up to the AH's how they conduct their business. If I had less options with my provider I might not use them. It is not up to them to police the hobby. They need to provide easy to use, reliable and safe software and they do.

[glchen]

Personally I see the OPs point. If there's something in the hobby that has been abused in the past, why even give AH's that option? If eBay said they'd give the option to sellers to see their bidders max bids, there would be an uproar.

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by Leon

NO, it doesn't concretely exist.
Again, I just feel you are being divisive, as usual. The s/w has the ability to be programmed, by the provider only, to do whatever an auction house wants. It DOES NOT exist with the B and L software.

I'd hazard to guess that there is not a separate version of software (code) for each client of SAS. It's a very high probability that there is just specific configuration for each client that controls the look/feel and feature set required by that client. In Leon's statement "the s/w has the ability to be programmed" more accurately should read "the s/w has the ability to be configured." There is a subtle, but important, distinction.

If that is the case, then the software (code) is the same regardless of the configuration. Therefore, there is deployed code that does allow for a user (administrator as it was mentioned) to see max bids. While configuration at the client level may not allow that feature to be utilized, it still exists. By virtue of it existing, it does leave open the possibility of misuse by an administrator, someone who is able to obtain administrative credentials, or someone who "hacks" the site to provide the information that would otherwise not be exposed.

I'm guessing that this is Kevin's concern.

[thehoodedcoder]

Ding Ding Ding.

Exactly.

Kevin

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by t206hound

I'd hazard to guess that there is not a separate version of software (code) for each client of SAS. It's a very high probability that there is just specific configuration for each client that controls the look/feel and feature set required by that client. In Leon's statement "the s/w has the ability to be programmed" more accurately should read "the s/w has the ability to be configured." There is a subtle, but important, distinction.

If that is the case, then the software (code) is the same regardless of the configuration. Therefore, there is deployed code that does allow for a user (administrator as it was mentioned) to see max bids. While configuration at the client level may not allow that feature to be utilized, it still exists. By virtue of it existing, it does leave open the possibility of misuse by an administrator, someone who is able to obtain administrative credentials, or someone who "hacks" the site to provide the information that would otherwise not be exposed.

I'm guessing that this is Kevin's concern.

The auction house administrators CAN NOT turn on and off the ability to see the max bids. Only one person in our in our entire company can do that and he is the other owner in the company.

In summary, Kevin has no knowledge of any inner workings of our software and any claims otherwise are lies and, no one except one of the owners in the company has the ability to turn on and off the ability in seeing the max bids.

[Peter_Spaeth]

But is it a fact that some auction houses ask to have the ability to see max bids?

[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

But is it a fact that some auction houses ask to have the ability to see max bids?

No, it is not a fact, no one has ever asked us to see the max bids, all have asked not to see the max bids.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

No, it is not a fact, no one has ever asked us to see the max bids, all have asked not to see the max bids.

Then nobody should have to stay up till all ungodly hours of the morning. Put it your max bid and go to bed!!

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

No, it is not a fact, no one has ever asked us to see the max bids, all have asked not to see the max bids.

This is great to hear. Thank you for posting.

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

No, it is not a fact, no one has ever asked us to see the max bids, all have asked not to see the max bids.

Awesome to hear that. I can't imagine any constructive reason to see max bids. It shouldn't even be an option. Thanks so much for making us feel safer about bidding.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

No, it is not a fact, no one has ever asked us to see the max bids, all have asked not to see the max bids.

I think this is what everyone was looking for.

[Peter_Spaeth]

So shill bidding is now dead, except on ebay? This is great to hear. I also assume auction houses don't have people's IDs and passwords.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

No, it is not a fact, no one has ever asked us to see the max bids, all have asked not to see the max bids.

I personally find this very, very hard to believe.

Sean