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Or perhaps the players are willing to take that chance because the issue is that important to them. Not sure why anyone would label that "stupid" but I have my suspicions as to why you choose that term. As a follow-up, if the flag and the anthem is that sacred to you and others, why not just boycott the games? I mean no one's forcing you to watch a bunch of stupid, unpatriotic African Americans disrespecting the military. Seems like complete hypocrisy to complain about it, condemn it, and then spend all day watching games. Just saying
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I'm going out on a limb here, Dan, but I think that's what the OP meant when he said "Call for a National boycott of the NFL for Sunday November 12th, Veterans Day Weekend" Any more brilliant suggestions? |
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Let me be perfectly clear. I'm not watchimg.
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Good for you. I respect your call to action. Don't DVR it either
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And here I thought that "All Rise" was only uttered at Yankee Stadium.
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I don't watch major league sports much anyway but I don't think these guys should be protesting anything, while hard working Americans are paying to see them play football and take their minds off of the things they are protesting, at least for a few hours. Just the wrong venue. If I was a fan I wouldn't be any longer,. Again, just my right as everyone has the right to do what they want to. I do believe the players have every right to protest while in uniform. And I believe each owner has every right to fire them too. It's America. oh, and happy collecting too.
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You have to admit though if you're there to watch football, the game is still played. The anthem has no bearing on the game.
Before Jackie, players, fans, owners, the media and society in general tried to keep African Americans from playing professional baseball. They succeeded for nearly a century. There is nothing that makes me prouder to be an American than to see those same disenfranchised people now in a position of power within their sports. Last edited by packs; 09-29-2017 at 12:14 PM. |
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So so SOOOOO many angles to this. Here is my breakdown and viewpoint(s).
1) First and foremost, we need to look at the person who started this movement - Colin Kaepernick. Yes, the racial minority person who has made millions in this country, and was raised by white people, had this to say about why he knelt for the Anthem: "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color." Again, a black person/person of color, who has made millions in this country and was raised by white people, said that. Additionally, he blatantly stated that he is protesting the flag, which represents this country, the freedoms of this country, and the ultimate sacrifice given to protect those freedoms. 2) Kaepernick's unemployment is due to his play on the field not equaling out the image risk that comes with hiring him. I don't know what's so hard to understand about that. He chose to exercise his 1st Amendment rights to free speech and the right to protest at work. There are consequences that come with one's actions, and the consequences thus far have not violated The Constitution. 3) Nothing changed in this country to further any supposed "racial oppression" in the past year, so why are all of these players just NOW protesting the supposed social injustices? Why weren't they with Kaepernick last year? 4) As stated above, Kaepernick was protesting the Flag, and therefore protesting the Anthem & this country as a whole. The players that state they are with Kaepernick, that this has nothing to do with the Flag/the Anthem/the military, they're full of $#%!. That's EXACTLY what this has to do with. If you don't think this country provides each individual with the same freedoms/rights, then yes, you would be protesting the country. 5) I don't care if you want to protest, that's your Constitutional right. Just don't do it at your job that I and many others are paying the salary for. Now, with that being said, I am one that doesn't agree with their agenda/reason for protesting, but that's a topic for a different forum. 6) Taya Kyle (Chris Kyle's - American Sniper - wife) challenged the NFL to affect real change, instead of essentially being a bunch of lazy, cowardly "social justice warriors." Here is here letter to the NFL: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...er-to-nfl.html. She's dead-freaking-on. If you actually think there's social injustice/racial oppression in this country, then do something about it. Don't take a knee like a pansie; get out and put your money where your mouth is. Hold community events, work with the communities, families, and law enforcement to come together and build better relations. Taking a knee does NOTHING but drive a wedge into this country and create a bigger divide. 7) The league-wide protests took place after Trump called them all out. So now are you protesting racial oppression/social injustice, or are you protesting the President? By the way, he wasn't wrong about the product on the field suffering because of the penalties. Football is borderline unwatchable with all of the laundry consistently littering the field. 8) Don't ridicule me for being PO'd about this and making my voice heard. I have the same rights and freedoms as the next person, and it's hypocritical to say otherwise. 9) This "movement" loses even more credibility with me when the players stand for UK's Anthem (where the Slave Trade started) and never mention the Middle East/Asia, where there's the highest percentage of slaves. As well, don't complain about "racism" then hold up your fist to symbolize "black power." That furthers the racial issues in this country, as it symbolizes the empowerment of a skin color. SKIN COLOR DOES. NOT. MATTER. 10) There is some fault on both sides. The PA fire chief that referred the those who are kneeling as the n-word, etc. No place for that. 11) This whole "unity" thing is crap. You're getting hit where it hurts - your wallet - and now you're quickly working on damage control so you can stay rich and employed in this country that supposedly "oppresses" you. Just like the Browns RB Isaiah Crowell quietly giving money to the police union(s) after posting a picture of a police officer being decapitated. It's hollow. Stand with respect for the Anthem, put your tails between your legs, and go out and actually do something about your issues with this country. 12) The NFL and NBA have lost me, and quite possibly forever. Between the kneeling & what I view as a protest against this country, Curry/LeBron attacking Trump and those who voted for him, and Gregg Popovich saying that white people need to be made uncomfortable, I have better ways to allocate my money and time. I called DirecTV and had my FREE year long NFL Sunday Ticket subscription cancelled. I've seen a couple smarta$$ comments telling people who are boycotting the NFL to enjoy the LPGA tour on Sundays. Actually, I will enjoy watching baseball, golf, tennis, and NASCAR more, so thank you. I love this country and everything it stands (oh there's that word again - stand) for. Is it perfect? Hell no, but it's the greatest damn country in this world and I take exception to anyone that wants to attack it in any way, shape, or form. Recognize the freedoms and opportunities that our Founding Fathers and those who gave the ultimate sacrifice have afforded us. Use those to constructively build a better society without destroying the framework. We have gotten so far away from being decent human beings and loving thy neighbor. God Bless you, yours, and America. That's the best I have without being TOO political. Sorry Leon if this post breaks any rules.
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Can you point to one statement on the protest that has anything to do with protesting the flag or the military? I have not read a single statement that even touches on those topics except to expressly state those topics are not related to the protest.
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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color." - Colin Kaepernick on why he knelt for the Anthem. The military aspect is an understood connection. The Flag moves with the last breath of each individual who died protecting it. The Flag represents the freedoms many gave the ultimate sacrifice to protect. Not sure what else the Flag could mean to you. Numerous players have said they are with Kaepernick, and support his "goal". If this had nothing to do with the Flag, why would they kneel for the Star Spangled Banner, yet stand for God Save the Queen? Again, I can't be political on here, but many of us feel this is more of an attack on our country than it is an attempt to better our already great society. Otherwise, you would probably see these players working in places like the south side of Chicago to help better those communities and relations.
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Well you are right that he said that but my interpretation of that statement is a social one, not that he's against America or the flag, since it implies he would stand for both if not for the injustices he sees in our society.
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You just got b!tched slapped with some harsh truth and you're still posting? You're a fool.
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You must have WAY WAY WAY better eye sight than me. I looked VERY hard at the word "Flag" and didn't see anything written between the lines. Amazing.
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Thank you for feeling my post wasted your time essentially because I am white, and because I am white my opinion apparently shouldn't matter on this subject.
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I find it so funny how the modern left is so suffering from cognitive dissonance that they can't see how racist, elitist and demeaning they sound.
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Wow some interesting stuff in this thread. I will only comment on protesting, I believe we all have the right to do it just not at work.
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No D!ckhead Dan (I bet you get called that a lot) your ignorant posts are "waisting" your time.
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