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Old 04-04-2014, 07:24 AM
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Assuming this is all factual and you guys have really presented a strong case wouldn't you think some type of interstate commerce laws are being breached?

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Old 04-04-2014, 08:28 AM
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That is crazy Ed. I think I will add that to the four neutral feedback I leave so it sticks. Good find.

My question is how do we get them thrown off ebay for fraud? Clearly that is what is going on with the photoshopping.

I can confirm those are the cards that were sent to me with the claim as NRMT to NRMT+.
I think it goes back to what some of the other posters have said, eBay doesn't really care. Battlefield has over 6000 feedbacks and what appears to be a steady stream of cards for sale - many of which they purchase from other eBay sellers, doctor scans and then flip. Can't see eBay messing with their money-stream here on both ends unless the negatives start to pile-up?

I tried to look at how to report, but the options on an item-by-item basis don't reflect listing practices - fraud - misrepresentation/image enhancement. Just schilling practice fraud. I'll be happy to report this up (whether or not they do anything with it), just not sure how beyond the "report item" link?

Re: Interstate commerce - not sure? Definitely fraud with intent to gain/profit, but I'm not sure this would be seen as small, below-the-radar type of stuff? I'm not too well versed on how this is all considered and dealt with. For now, glad you pointed this out, Ed. Bobby noted Great Lakes Auction House which does similar and I have seen previous posts on them. Great forum to alert one another! Thanks for starting and sharing this!
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:23 PM
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Thanks for the post.
I too have noticed many high end card like Wagner & Young or Mathewson that look too good to be true and then get re-listed several times by this seller. I have bid on them & when I tried to contact the seller about the same items being re-listed got the usual blame the seller answers -or no response on other inquiries. If it seems to good to be true I guess it is.

I asked ebay where they stand on it- "does the sellers volume makes the misrepresentation acceptable?". Probably wasn't my place to ask but it got me mad. Hopefully the seller will have to represent more accurately in the future
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:15 PM
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Ebay is not going to fix this problem, in my opinion. Law enforcement is the better hope.
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:37 PM
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To Ebay, giving the buyer their money back IS fixing the problem. If you want them to do anything to censure the seller, you have to join a bunch of other buyers in squawking about one seller. If they start racking up lots of negs, not only will it affect the seller's fee structure and item appearances in "Best Match" searches, it will also raise the red flag that something is going on. I'm not sure how much or what percentage it would take for them to actually boot a longstanding seller, but a handful of isolated neutrals or negatives isn't going to do it.
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Old 04-04-2014, 04:35 PM
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There seems to be quite a bit of evidence of tampering with the cards.


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Old 04-04-2014, 05:35 PM
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In another thread I mentioned the importance of leaving accurate feedback (even if a refund is issued). Sellers like this are the reason why. If we allow sellers to engage in shady practices with no real consequences then they have no incentive to change their ways.
The only issue here is that we are on to it and don't buy from them. If you do not buy you can't leave a negative!

The buyers that purchase may not notice or care- until they go to sell.
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Old 04-04-2014, 05:40 PM
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Ebay is not going to fix this problem, in my opinion. Law enforcement is the better hope.
+1...Good luck with Ebay
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The cards still go high, and don't look like past images when I find the cards in VCP......very odd.
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I have run across this exact problem so many times (with post-war cards) that it has become frickin' ridiculous!! After filing the cases with ebay, I have yet to NOT get my money back, so they somewhat do the right thing in the end.

But, of course, as others have stated, ebay will do nothing to actually correct the problem and ban these scumbag sellers, because enough people accept the receipt of these altered-photo cards, so they make their revenue off of them. Pathetic.
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