SABR announces Deadball Stars publish date

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Posted By: jay behrens

SABR in it's latest newsletter has announced that the Deadball Stars of the American League is slated for the 2005 publication cycle. This means that you need to be a member of SABR for the 2005 year if you wish to get this book for free. The Deadball stars of NAtional LEague is sold out, so miss your chance at this book.

Another thing to consider is that SABR is raising it's dues effective Oct 1st to $60. Prior to then, you can still join for $50, so join now while it's still cheap. And if they've added the ability to credit someone for a referal on the website, please mention me.

http://sabr.org

Jay

I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Wierd, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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Posted By: runscott

for them to lower their dues to $40 - then I would probably join.

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Posted By: Chris

Sweet!. I read the first one and it was great. Always nice to put some real info with some of this cardboard we buy. I have thought about joining SABR, no better time. I'll list you a s a referral Jay. I encourage others to read these books as well as they are filled with great info. At least the first was.

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Posted By: runscott

Jay, just so you don't mis-read my post. I have one of the SABR publications, and it's fantastic ("Nineteenth Century Stars") - I refer to it frequently when doing research.

The problem I have with SABR is that you frequently plug them, and that's fine, but when I asked a simple question, I couldn't get a straight answer out of you. I'm referring to the question about Amos Rusie's lifetime won/lost record. If you remember, I asked you which set of stats SABR agreed with, since you can find at least three different lifetime records for him when searching reputable sources. Surely SABR has some thoughts on this (i.e - they support a particular record), but I couldn't get an answer from you or your buddies. I'd really love to hear their thoughts - what was Rusie's career W/L record? Thanks.

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Posted By: bcornell

The NL Deadball Stars book is still available from the publisher here.

It's a great read.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Scott, I'm sorry, I must have missed the post asking for the Rusie numbers. SABR doesn't maintain a seperate record for players that is different from MLB. What they do is research old record for accuracy and the submit new the data, with why it needs to be changed. After that, it's up to MLB to make the changes.

Since Total Baseball quit being published, I'm not sure what the official "book of record" is for MLB, but I think Elias Sports maintians the official records. I get the records committee newsletter and I can't say I remember seeing anything about changes to Rusie's numbers, so I would guess that the Elias numbers what the SABRheads agree with.

Baseball-reference.com's numbers I believe com from Elias as this used to be Seam Lehman's site always used current SABR info.

Jay

I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Wierd, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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Posted By: Cy

Here is the link to amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com

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Posted By: runscott

I "spoke" with someone else involved with SABR and got an answer that kind of explained why I have a hard time getting answers. But your current response is appreciated and makes sense.

Here's a link to the previous thread on the subject:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=153652&messageid=1068569444

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Posted By: Rich Klein

Remember, it is NOT SABR's job to determine which is the official reference work of major league baseball. It is one of the missions of SABR members to research baseball history and work on stats (Project Retrosheet is an good example of work done by mainly SABR members although not an official SABR work)

And, as we have found out, stats tend to be " changable" depending on corrections made by those dedicated researchers. For example, Hack Wilson with 191 RBI's because some dedicated researchers found an missed RBI

And BTW -- there was a new Total Baseball this year -- done by a different publishing house so you can have a 2004 Total Baseball

Rich

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Posted By: runscott

Several researchers at SABR could all come up with different results doing research on a similar topic, and each stick with their own opinions to the death, and SABR itself would not support any result in particular. That's all fine - I just didn't realize that was how it worked with those guys. Still very admirable, probably even more so than before since there don't seem to be any rules and researchers are free to really follow their passion. (I hope I'm getting it) Thanks!

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Posted By: Tom Hufford

Besides the publications that come with a SABR membership, there are other member benefits that you would be hard pressed to find anywhere else at any price. An example is the free member-access to the ProQuest and HeritageQuest websites. ProQuest currently has searchable on-line files (back to the 1850's) of the New York Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, and Los Angeles Times, and more papers will be added later. HeritageQuest gives access to 1,000s of local history and genealogical publications. Access to digitized copies of The Sporting News (since 1886) are available from Paper of Record at a 25% price break for SABR members.

Not to mention the SABR Baseball Encyclopedia, recently added to the Members Only section of the SABR website (and Amos Rusie's record is listed as 245-174). The SABR BB Encyclopedia is cross-referenced with the Tattersall-McConnell home run log, and "with the click of a button" you can get info on any major league home run hit by any batter or off any pitcher (i.e. Amos Rusie hit his first HR on 10-4-1892 off Washington's Frank Killen, in the bottom of the 2nd inning, bases empty, at the Polo Grounds. And the first 3 HRs that Rusie allowed in the majors - in 1889 - were to three fellow HOFers, Ned Hanlon, Sam Thompson, and King Kelly).

No VBC forum member should be without a SABR membership - check it out at www.sabr.org

Tom Hufford
SABR founding member - 1971
Current member of SABR board of directors

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Posted By: ramram

I'm finally gonna get my butt in gear and join but, as I understand it, I need to wait until after October 1st for my dues to apply to 2005. If I were to join this month I would get the 2004 publications but my dues would only cover until the end of this year. Is that correct?

Rob M.

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Posted By: jay behrens

ramram, You are correct, if you are joining for the first time before Oct 1st, the $50 would count towards the 2004 membership, but you would get ALL pubilication issued for 2004. After Oct 1st, your membeship goes for 2005 and you get no books issued for 2004. If you are a current member, if you renew before Oct 1st, it only costs $50. After that, $60 to renew.

Jay

I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Wierd, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.

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Posted By: ChuckkieB

I am planning on joining SABR but I'm not sure if I should do so for 2004 or 2005. Can someone tell me what publications they've issued so far in 2004?

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Posted By: jay behrens

Not sure what is slated for 2004 beyond the Baseball Research Journal (BRJ) and The National Pasttime (TNP). There will be at least one other book and maybe a second, but I have no idea what else is slated.

Jay

I saw weird stuff in that place last night. Wierd, strange, sick, twisted, eerie, godless, evil stuff. And I want in.