What is Carlos Beltran's rookie card?

[KingFisk]

Spend enough time on here and you'll end up hunting for Sal Bando, Ted Simmons, Reggie Smith...

http://www.hallofstats.com/

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by KingFisk

Spend enough time on here and you'll end up hunting for Sal Bando, Ted Simmons, Reggie Smith...

http://www.hallofstats.com/

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Yeah that site as I recall rates Lou Whitaker and Scott Rolen in their top 100, dunno about that.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah that site as I recall rates Lou Whitaker and Scott Rolen in their top 100, dunno about that.

If you like WAR as a stat Lou is at 75.1 and Rolen is at 70.2.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

If you like WAR as a stat Lou is at 75.1 and Rolen is at 70.2.

Damn, I may have to reconsider then. I guess there's something to consistency?

[KingFisk]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Damn, I may have to reconsider then. I guess there's something to consistency?

And terrific defenders at premium positions. I am curious how much of their WAR relates to defense.

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[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah that site as I recall rates Lou Whitaker and Scott Rolen in their top 100, dunno about that.

Both Whitaker and Rolen have been underrated during their careers. Rolen is actually considered a good HOF candidate and will probably get in as a Veteran's committee player and frankly Whitaker should have gotten a chance to run out the ballot. He is certainly as good if not better as a HOFer than most of the Frankie Frisch clique which all got in during the 1920's (Bancroft, Youngs, Lindstrom, etc.)

Regards
Rich

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Both Whitaker and Rolen have been underrated during their careers. Rolen is actually considered a good HOF candidate and will probably get in as a Veteran's committee player and frankly Whitaker should have gotten a chance to run out the ballot. He is certainly as good if not better as a HOFer than most of the Frankie Frisch clique which all got in during the 1920's (Bancroft, Youngs, Lindstrom, etc.)

Regards
Rich

I think Whitaker should have gotten in before (or at least the same time) as Trammell.

[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by KingFisk

Spend enough time on here and you'll end up hunting for Sal Bando, Ted Simmons, Reggie Smith...

http://www.hallofstats.com/

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I agree those names are unlikely to get elected. But I also think that we could easily list 20+ (or more) Hall of Famers who are less deserving.

Full disclosure: My brother built and runs that site.

[KingFisk]

Originally Posted by Mike D.

I agree those names are unlikely to get elected. But I also think that we could easily list 20+ (or more) Hall of Famers who are less deserving.



Full disclosure: My brother built and runs that site.

Oh awesome! I love that site. Your brother does great work.

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[Mike D.]

Originally Posted by KingFisk

Oh awesome! I love that site. Your brother does great work.

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Thank you. He got the brains in the family, and I all I got were these darn good looks

On the bright side, I can say I'm only the SECOND biggest baseball geek in my family!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Harold Baines fares extremely poorly on Hall of Stats.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Harold Baines fares extremely poorly on Hall of Stats.

Baines: 2866 hits, 384 hr, 1299 r, 1628 rbi, 289/356/465 121 ops+
Beltran: 2725 hits, 435 hr, 1582 r, 1587 rbi, 279/350/485 119 ops+

Where does that leave Beltran?

[Copa7]

This was also the case with soccer Hall of Famer John Harkes (Sheffield Wednesday, DC United),

His picture is on the card, but it has Hall of Fame Tab Ramos (Sporting Gijon, MetroStars) name.

They come from the same town and it's both their rookie card!

If it had a slab flip, I'd insist they include both names.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Baines: 2866 hits, 384 hr, 1299 r, 1628 rbi, 289/356/465 121 ops+
Beltran: 2725 hits, 435 hr, 1582 r, 1587 rbi, 279/350/485 119 ops+

Where does that leave Beltran?

Beltran 134 points
Rankings by Hall Rating
108th All Time (Top 0.6%)
8th among Center Fielders

Baines 57 points
Rankings by Hall Rating
751st All Time (Top 3.9%)
221st among Hall of Famers
6th among Designated Hitters