$OLD pet peeve

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

You're not helping the community learn values when you change the price to SOLD after a successful BST sale. Leave prices intact so we all can learn what stuff is selling for. I've got access to VCP but others might not. And I would argue that BST might be a more accurate representation of real world and up to the minute pricing vs. ebay and AH which may have been shilled to begin with. The only argument I've heard is that buyers might not want their price paid publicized but does that really supercede the community value of historical prices? Net54 could even start building a pricing database as an awesome value add to its members.

[pclpads]

+1

[pokerplyr80]

We had a thread on this same topic a year ago or so. I agree with you completely. I've noticed Jake quoting listings so sellers can't just delete asking prices after a sale. Seems like a reasonable way to make sure there is a record.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

yeah I think I started that one too. lol

Hoping I can change some hearts and minds...

[pokerplyr80]

Either you or I did. It's one of my pet peeves as well, along with people listing cards without asking prices. That may have been the thread I started. Also a spirited discussion.

[jbl79]

I wonder how many times cards are sold at asking price. I'm sure a lot of cards have sold below the original asking price through negotiations even though the seller put "SOLD" without deleting the original price.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

yes I would argue that a requirement of using BST would be to input the final selling price post sale.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

We had a thread on this same topic a year ago or so. I agree with you completely. I've noticed Jake quoting listings so sellers can't just delete asking prices after a sale. Seems like a reasonable way to make sure there is a record.

haha you got me...


Its funny how a sale of a card is argued to be private, but a sale of a house which is the most expensive thing most people buy in their lives has a sale price for all of the world to see and is not private...but a $5000 card, keep it private! Every house is unique it can be argued as well with the special updating the homeowner did.

Anyway its up to the seller if they want to remove the price but if its been quoted in the thread we will at least know the asking price and can assume the card sold for that price or less....at least its a starting point

[mattjc1983]

I understand why some sellers don't want to post final price/terms, so I'm sure you're going to get some replies that disagree with you, but what I don't understand is why even the ORIGINAL ASKING price is often deleted by the sellers instead of simply putting "SOLD" in front of it.

Even if the seller doesn't want to disclose FINAL price/terms, it's not like the ask price is some big secret if it was out there with the original post; I don't get the point of then deleting it but that's just me; I don't do much for transactions so maybe I don't understand. To each their own.


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[bostonmarathonman]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

You're not helping the community learn values when you change the price to SOLD after a successful BST sale. Leave prices intact so we all can learn what stuff is selling for. I've got access to VCP but others might not. And I would argue that BST might be a more accurate representation of real world and up to the minute pricing vs. ebay and AH which may have been shilled to begin with. The only argument I've heard is that buyers might not want their price paid publicized but does that really supercede the community value of historical prices? Net54 could even start building a pricing database as an awesome value add to its members.

Totally agree with you! The way I see it, if the price was there (ie present and visible) before the item sold, what's the sense behind removing it and changing it to "SOLD"?!?!?! Its not like it was a secret what the price was so why remove it?!?! This especially bothers me if I missed the thread prior to the item selling so the first time I come across the thread is after the item SOLD so I never knew what the asking price was in the first place!!

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by bostonmarathonman

Totally agree with you! The way I see it, if the price was there (ie present and visible) before the item sold, what's the sense behind removing it and changing it to "SOLD"?!?!?! Its not like it was a secret what the price was so why remove it?!?! This especially bothers me if I missed the thread prior to the item selling so the first time I come across the thread is after the item SOLD so I never knew what the asking price was in the first place!!

+1
I believe boards such as this are meant to share information and help educate people. That's why I am here, to share the knowledge I have, and to learn the knowledge I don't have.

Plus I like to beat myself up for missing out on some great things

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

This. It's annoying enough when someone pulls a random sale price from somewhere in an attempt to justify their lowball offer. It's worse when they come in saying "I know you paid X for this, so you're just being greedy if you refuse my offer of X+$1.00." Just because I got something for a good price does not mean I'm obligated to sell it for that price, and I don't need anyone trying to throw a guilt trip on me for trying to turn a profit on something I picked up on the BST.

+1 again. I bought my house for a good price so I should sell it to you today for a bargain because I paid a pittance for it.

Now replace "house" with "card".

Originally Posted by irishdenny

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Where did it go?

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

+1
+1 again. I bought my house for a good price so I should sell it to you today for a bargain because I paid a pittance for it.

Now replace "house" with "card".

If everyone knows what you paid for it, it can be harder to get what you want for it. You need to realize that a house is not a card and that is a very bad analogy.

A card can be 1 of 1. Very specific in a thin collector market. There may only be a dozen people on the planet that want the card. The card may only sell 5 times in a hundred year period(if that) depending on what it is. It may take a very long time to find that person. That ask price and that buy price are hugely important to the sellers ability to get the desired asking price in a market like that on 1 of 1s, errors, oddities, and obscure issues.

[rainier2004]

I guess what I don't understand is how it upsets people so much, almost like this entitled attitude with the information. There have been tons of reasons why this practice is done and some members here seem to gloss over those. I do to not possibly piss off my buyer, I don't even ask I just do it...I am a guy, it's easier that way. No one really owes anyone else an explanation...which brings me back to my point mentioned above.

Just yesterday I reach out to a member looking for a specific card, he inquires, inquires more and wants a price. I write a nice 2 paragraph description to go along with the scans of the graded card and highlight recent auction activity and my price...crickets. I don't even get back a "no thank you" or even an "up yours"...email just goes deaf.

The basic communication skills that lack in this hobby are astounding, treating someone with common courtesy seems to be becoming the exception and bravery behind a keyboard is always dramatic so removing a price, which isn't any of my business to begin with, seems like small potatoes.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

i guess what i don't understand is how it upsets people so much, almost like this entitled attitude with the information.

+10000000000000000

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

If everyone knows what you paid for it, it can be harder to get what you want for it. You need to realize that a house is not a card and that is a very bad analogy.

A card can be 1 of 1. Very specific in a thin collector market. There may only be a dozen people on the planet that want the card. The card may only sell 5 times in a hundred year period(if that) depending on what it is. It may take a very long time to find that person. That ask price and that buy price are hugely important to the sellers ability to get the desired asking price in a market like that on 1 of 1s, errors, oddities, and obscure issues.

Take paragraph 2, and replace "card" with "house".

Oh you're right, it's a very bad analogy . We should be comparing houses to a commodity like coffee beans, not baseball cards, because all houses are the same, unlike baseball cards.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

Take paragraph 2, and replace "card" with "house".

Oh you're right, it's a very bad analogy . We should be comparing houses to a commodity like coffee beans, not baseball cards, because all houses are the same, unlike baseball cards.

Just look at all the info out there now regarding sold prices on houses accessible to the public. Stopped lots of flippers in their tracks. Also, led to people changing addresses on their houses and condos. Unit 1 for unit A, 3rd street to Third St...etc

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

Take paragraph 2, and replace "card" with "house".

Oh you're right, it's a very bad analogy . We should be comparing houses to a commodity like coffee beans, not baseball cards, because all houses are the same, unlike baseball cards.

It actually is a bad analogy because house sales are public record. Not because they couldn't be considered 1 or 1 items as well (which they could).

[irishdenny]

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