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Old 04-18-2007, 04:13 PM
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Default #1 Benny Bengough

Posted By: peter chao

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How tough is the '33 Goudey Benny Bengough #1 in the set. Is this card merely a condition rarity. Or is it truly difficult to find. Any thoughts on this.

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Old 04-18-2007, 04:15 PM
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Default #1 Benny Bengough

Posted By: Justin

As far as I know it's just condition sensitive. I have seen them frequently on ebay. Plus it has a great image, so I guess that would add to its popularity.

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Default #1 Benny Bengough

Posted By: barrysloate

Not that tough in lower grades, very tough Ex or better. It's a condition rarity.

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Posted By: Rand

The Bengough is very tough in 6, 7, 8. A 6 will cost about $2000, 7 about $8000, 8 over $15000...there is 1 psa 9....at least $100,000k. If you check the pop reports you will see the top sets on the Registry have the majority of the cards.

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Default #1 Benny Bengough

Posted By: dennis

condition sensitive,is not seem hard to find but even low grades seem to sell for a lot of $$$.(kind of like "52 topps pafko #1)

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Default #1 Benny Bengough

Posted By: Bobby Binder

I think the condition is due to kids putting the cards in order then wrapping them with a rubber band. This caused the top and bottom cards to get damaged so you almost always see the first and last cards of a set bringing a premium.

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Default #1 Benny Bengough

Posted By: peter chao

Bobby,

If what you said is true, then in the higher grades you would expect the Benny Bengough to bring a premium. However, according to Dennis, in lower grades the Benny Bengough still brings in a price in excess of the price of a common. Have you found that to be true.

Now would you say that is unexpected. If the price is high in lower grades is there any particular reason for this or possibly people are just simply paying too much.

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Old 04-18-2007, 08:27 PM
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Posted By: jay behrens

This card and Pafko irk me to no end because, as mentioned, the card is not hard to find, just hard to find in high grades. There is no reason to pay a premium for either card in grades below Ex.

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Default #1 Benny Bengough

Posted By: Bobby Binder

Peter,

I think because the card in high grade sell for so much more then others you get the trickle effect on the lower grades. Everyone wants to say they own the $100K card when in reality they don't.

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Default #1 Benny Bengough

Posted By: Eric Brehm

I think cards that are scarce in high grade may carry a mystique of scarcity that carries over to lower grades, even though they may not actually be particularly scarce in the lower grades.

1933 Goudey #1 Bengough is probably scarce in high grade because it is the #1 card in the set and was thus subject to more abuse, and also because it is part of the low number series of 48 cards that were printed on the first two production sheets (card #'s 1-40 and 45-52), where lower quality paper stock was used.

Here are PSA population stats in each grade for the Bengough card, compared with averages for the low numbers as a group and for the set as a whole:

PSA 1-2: Bengough = 93 ..... Avg low number = 26 ..... Avg all cards = 22
PSA 3-4: Bengough = 82 ..... Avg low number = 50 ..... Avg all cards = 51
PSA 5: Bengough = 13 ....... Avg low number = 23 ..... Avg all cards = 29
PSA 6: Bengough = 11 ....... Avg low number = 15 ..... Avg all cards = 21
PSA 7: Bengough = 15 ....... Avg low number = 15 ..... Avg all cards = 19
PSA 8: Bengough = 7 ........ Avg low number = 10 ..... Avg all cards = 14
PSA 9: Bengough = 1 ........ Avg low number = 0.4 .... Avg all cards = 0.9

total: Bengough = 234 ...... Avg low number = 143 .... Avg all cards = 163

I suspect that there are more graded Bengoughs than would be expected based on its true scarcity alone, because the card is relatively more valuable and thus more likely to get slabbed. This is apparently true even in the lower grades. In any case, it is clear that the card is not scarce in grades below PSA 5.

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