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Old 03-12-2013, 03:31 PM
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Default Our friend the crease.

I recently came across this O'Hara as a MakeAnOffer and and it's been stuck in my mind how badly that crease killed the value on a gorgeous card.



I'd love to see your examples of cards you could not have afforded without that grade killing crease/pl/rip
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Chris,

I know it's a Polar Bear, but I think the tobacco stains bother me more from an esthetic standpoint. The crease that doesn't break the paper is fine by me and the one that does break paper isn't too bad.
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this crease is much much worse to me!!!!
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It's not a crease but a tiny paper pull, and this card was just shown, but I think it would have been 3-4 grades higher without that little pull on his sleeve. What a shame...

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this crease is much much worse to me!!!!
Put some whiskers on the side and you have yourself a catfish!
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that crawford is a crying shame!!!!! great card though!!!!!
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Instead of having an innie or outie belly button, she has a " it would take a bloody Welsh miner to find itie".

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I know it's a Polar Bear, but I think the tobacco stains bother me more from an esthetic standpoint. The crease that doesn't break the paper is fine by me and the one that does break paper isn't too bad.
I agree. The creases kills it way less for me than the 100 brown dots all over it do.....
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If there wasn't the crease I'd think this would be a 30-50k card. Thoughts.
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Can those tobacco stains soak off?
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Recently picked this one up from a fellow member.
The spider creases are virtually invisible... even with a loupe.
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Look at this McIntyre. Sharp corners, no paper loss, staining, etc. The only negative is a tiny hairline crease along the side, less than an inch, and only visible if you really look for it. I'm wondering why PSA didn't give the card a few +1's for having perfect centering and corners and instead gave it a lowly 2?! I've seen some really bad looking 2's.

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I've shown this one before but its still a heart breaker:


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I can deal with the crease, the rounded corners, the off center and even a slight trim but I can not deal with paper loss, especially on the back because you know it's all about the back.

a crease really isn't that bad



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Look at this McIntyre. Sharp corners, no paper loss, staining, etc. The only negative is a tiny hairline crease along the side, less than an inch, and only visible if you really look for it. I'm wondering why PSA didn't give the card a few +1's for having perfect centering and corners and instead gave it a lowly 2?! I've seen some really bad looking 2's.



I would be resubmiting that card.
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Just picked this up from Craig, me thinks a regrade is in order. Vertical crease, no other issues! "Overall eye appeal" shuold garner a higher PSA grade. Unfortunately it is 60$ to find out!



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30-50k card? Eek gads?!
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What would it likely grade without the crease, 6/7?

PSA 5 sold in REA for 22k

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So you really mean creases? If all the creases were gone then i may agree?
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Just picked this up from Craig, me thinks a regrade is in order. Vertical crease, no other issues! "Overall eye appeal" shuold garner a higher PSA grade. Unfortunately it is 60$ to find out!



If you're open to using SGC, I think this month's special is oversized cards for $30. I thought it included T3's but could be wrong.
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Yes the creases, of course lots of cards would be significantly higher but this went for under 2k...shame.
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It's not a crease but a tiny paper pull, and this card was just shown, but I think it would have been 3-4 grades higher without that little pull on his sleeve. What a shame...

Those are the type of cards I really love, gems with little flaws encased in slabs. With my budget, that's the only way for me to acquire really good looking cardboard.
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The Gehrig was auctioned off as having a minor surface wrinkle on the back, but I have yet to find it. The Speaker has a few minor wrinkles on the front, and SGC called it a fourty-five, whatever that means...



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I recently came across this O'Hara as a MakeAnOffer and and it's been stuck in my mind how badly that crease killed the value on a gorgeous card.



I'd love to see your examples of cards you could not have afforded without that grade killing crease/pl/rip
Chris, I'm not going to post it again, but I'm sure the cost of my Plank would have nearly doubled without the creases.
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Ahhh the wrinkle the scourge of 30 something women and card collectors….add in a dinged corner or the microscopic spot of paper loss and alas you have the perfect recipe for bumsville.


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Oh My Lord. This card looks perfect ... to Hell with the grade!

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John, once again, great, great cards.
My only card with a crease(that I know about). .




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The Wheat is a barely discernible wrinkle; the Wagner is some light reverse paper loss as a result of scrapbook removal; the Clarke is two pin holes -- one of which 'ole Fred signed over...







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Your Wagner looks like he is wearing lipstick.
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Shown before, but I'll be damned if I can find a thing wrong with this one, upon multiple examinations! If there's a crease, it doesn't show up with the loupe I used!
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Your Wagner looks like he is wearing lipstick.
Before Gatorade, players used to fill up on Kool-Aid tropical punch...
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John wonka, I am inspired every time I see your cards man.
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Scott, thats a beauty! Is there an erased pencil mark or hint of paperloss on the back? I think even with a surface crease it'd grade at least a 3 ... very nice card!
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When this came back a 60, I didn't believe it... and couldn't sell it for 60 prices. So I held it and sent it in again. Came back a 60. Don't know what I'm missing:
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When this came back a 60, I didn't believe it... and couldn't sell it for 60 prices. So I held it and sent it in again. Came back a 60. Don't know what I'm missing:
Erick, I'm no pro grader, but I think that card deserves at least a 6! It looks like a 7+ to be honest!
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Erick. I don't get it either.
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Eric, I figure it might be the centering on the back. By there grading scale a 80 should have a 75/25 centering on front and allowed a 10% latitude on the back.
I would have given it a higher grade though.
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When this came back a 60, I didn't believe it... and couldn't sell it for 60 prices. So I held it and sent it in again. Came back a 60. Don't know what I'm missing:
Did you send it back in the SGC holder or did you crack it out first? I always wondered if companies were influenced by that. If you send in an encased card, maybe they see what they already graded it and are reluctant to bump it much higher as it's a bit of an indictment on their previous work. I don't know.

Same for crossing to another company; if PSA sees a SGC card graded a 5 then would they want to grad it higher? Maybe they feel that will make them seem to have less stringent standards? I would hope that it should not have influence on graders whether or not a card is raw, but I can definitely see how it might. Even if it's on an unconscious level to the grader that day... When you send in a card raw, you're likely getting a fresh slate and a completely honest and unbiased review.
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Did you send it back in the SGC holder or did you crack it out first? I always wondered if companies were influenced by that. If you send in an encased card, maybe they see what they already graded it and are reluctant to bump it much higher as it's a bit of an indictment on their previous work. I don't know.
I cracked it and submitted it raw... there's something there that I'm not seeing for it to get the same (relatively low) grade twice.
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I cracked it and submitted it raw... there's something there that I'm not seeing for it to get the same (relatively low) grade twice.
It surely looks better than the grade given (both times).

I would like this card alot better if it didn't have the forehead crease:

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As a collector, cards that are graded PSA 2, because of a light crease or paper loss, are IMO "best buys". They present well and are affordable. Cards with "qualifiers" are also affordable AND "collector freindly". If it wasn't for the (ST) on the attached Herzog I would not have been able to add it to my collection. This Herzog might just be the nicest in the hobby. The lone "straight 8" that PSA has graded is 70/30 L to R.
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The funny thing about that Herzog is that it's not even that badly stained, especially for a 1914!
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Purchased in 1973 from a mimeographed auction sheet from James T. Elder. It would be a long time before the scanner would be invented. James T. never wasted a lot of time describing the condition of cards, but I'm still very happy with it.

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Purchased in 1973 from a mimeographed auction sheet from James T. Elder.

I'm still very happy with it.

Winning bid: $25.
Great looking card and an excellent example of why a crease can be our friend
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