NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-22-2020, 01:08 PM
tennisguy tennisguy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 388
Default Albumen photo June 6, 1860-Potomac BBC/Excelsior BBC of Baltimore

I hope everyone is doing well! I got this piece back in mid-summer 2019. Found in a north Georgia estate by a relative (uncle) and gifted to me. Even though it has condition issues, I feel fortunate to have it.

Taken June 6, 1860 depicting players of both clubs intertwined in the photo. Many holding bats. The game was played between Potomac BBC of Washington DC verse the Excelsior BBC of Baltimore in which the Baltimore club won the contest. As I have researched the game was played on the White House property grounds.

I attached a few scans. I apologize for they seem blurry and not sure how to make them clearer? In hand much better detail. I appreciate any comments, information, knowledge that anyone would care to share?

Many thanks,
Ryan
Attached Images
File Type: jpg C62E6AFA-4725-4CB8-AB27-A3CF7055A73C.jpg (11.9 KB, 236 views)
File Type: jpg 80927CB7-156C-4038-BCA8-52D5671C3C46.jpg (7.7 KB, 236 views)
File Type: jpg 8FEA56CB-AEF5-4D17-A7D9-5743191A5C75.jpg (14.6 KB, 232 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-22-2020, 01:34 PM
GaryPassamonte's Avatar
GaryPassamonte GaryPassamonte is offline
GaryPassamonte
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Mount Morris NY
Posts: 1,476
Default

According to Protoball, the Potomacs and the Nationals were the first base ball teams from Washington DC. Since the Potomacs only played games in 1860, your dating is accurate. Your stereoview is most certainly one of the earliest depictions of a baseball subject known. Can you tell us what is written on the reverse of the card?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-22-2020, 01:35 PM
bgar3 bgar3 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: new jersey
Posts: 1,115
Default

Very nice piece, however I think you might be confusing this with the famous Excelsiors of Brooklyn vs. the Nationals of Washington that took place in September 1866 on the grounds of the new President’s house, viewed by President Johnson. There is a great image from that game of the 2 teams along with Chadwick and team officials. I say this because of your reference to on the White House grounds. I can’t really see the photos well enough to make out any players, but would love to see any larger images you can make. Although I do not have the famous cabinet photo taken in 1866, I am attaching a nice special bulletin detailed write up of the game (almost certainly by Chadwick).
I will see if I can find any references to a game on the date of you piece in Peverelly or Orem and let you know.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg E7D807B9-D20F-4C97-8A42-786B6EB5CA84.jpg (12.2 KB, 233 views)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-22-2020, 01:38 PM
bgar3 bgar3 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: new jersey
Posts: 1,115
Default

Like Gary I would like to see a better image or description of the writing. It does appear to be signed, can you make that out? That name could also be researched.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-22-2020, 02:08 PM
bgar3 bgar3 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: new jersey
Posts: 1,115
Default

Ryan, I will attach a reference from Peverelly and refer you to an extensive write up in Baseball Pioneers pages 253 to 261. You may already seen that since it references a game played near the White House on June 6 and cites a June 7 article in the Baltimore Sun. There is also a list of players to check to see if there is anything close to the signature on the back.
Again, exciting piece.
Having difficulty uploading Peverelly page, will try later.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-22-2020, 02:12 PM
bgar3 bgar3 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: new jersey
Posts: 1,115
Default

Peverelly pages on Potomac club.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 621658F9-9DC0-4DEB-BA87-AE87FF8539DC.jpg (19.6 KB, 226 views)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-22-2020, 02:15 PM
GaryPassamonte's Avatar
GaryPassamonte GaryPassamonte is offline
GaryPassamonte
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Mount Morris NY
Posts: 1,476
Default

The 1866 Nationals and Brooklyn Excelsiors image. There was a game between the Washington Potomacs and Baltimore Excelsiors on 6/6/1860. The reverse should help us determine which game and which teams we have here.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-22-2020, 02:41 PM
bgar3 bgar3 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: new jersey
Posts: 1,115
Default

Agree Gary, the back is critical.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-22-2020, 03:48 PM
Michael B Michael B is offline
Mîçhæ£ ßöw£ß¥
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,840
Default

I played with the image and here is what I could read:

….the Potomac Base Ball Club of Washington -- Excelsior Club of Balt. in which the latter were successful H W. F Clay(ton)
__________________
'Integrity is what you do when no one is looking'

"The man who can keep a secret may be wise, but he is not half as wise as the man with no secrets to keep”
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-22-2020, 03:52 PM
tennisguy tennisguy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 388
Default June 6, 1860 photo back

Here is the back! Hopefully comes through legible. The corner is a little rat chewed, but the writing is period ink no doubt.

“taken after June sixth (rat chewed) , but can make out xth for sixth, between the Potomac Baseball club of Washington and the Excelsior baseball club of Baltimore, in which the latter were successful “

Signature appears to me as Wm. F. Clayton

These two teams only played one time and that was in Washington. Both teams were mostly made up of government workers and with the Potomac club shutting down and closing up shop a year or two after this photo if I can recall. The National club took the herald in Washington. The Excelsior club was founded by George Beam a businessman who had business connections with the Excelsiors of Brooklyn. He was so excited about the Brooklyn club, he came back to Baltimore and financed the Excelsior club of Baltimore. As with the Potomacs mostly made up of government workers. Beam was player/coach/executive.


This was found with four other similar albumen photos of the Washington D.C. area. One was of the Capital, Asian people, building’s and this gem! My uncle said that they all had the same persons hand writing with writing relating to each individual photo.

My uncle a kind soul who lives in Alabama, new how much I liked collecting cards as a kid in my youth, sent it to me. Surprise, he didn’t even know my love for 19th century.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1E3387C3-94ED-41FB-B7D4-28A7A9C030AE.jpg (11.1 KB, 214 views)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-22-2020, 04:18 PM
aelefson aelefson is offline
Alan Elefson
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: MA
Posts: 1,207
Default

I don't have anything useful to add but I did want to say amazing item and thank you for posting it!

Alan
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-22-2020, 04:41 PM
tennisguy tennisguy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 388
Default Thanks Alan

I appreciate it Alan! It actually displays more detail in hand. Amazing to be able to have and hold one of the earliest images of the game.

Thanks again for the kind words Alan!

All my Best,
Ryan
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-22-2020, 08:44 PM
Hankphenom Hankphenom is offline
Hank Thomas
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,542
Default

Amazing, historical piece. Shows what kind of stuff is still out there waiting to be discovered!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-23-2020, 09:48 PM
ramram's Avatar
ramram ramram is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,265
Default

Great find Ryan.

Rob M
__________________
Turd Ferguson "it’s a funny name"
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-24-2020, 02:18 PM
tennisguy tennisguy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 388
Default Ever seen....

Has anyone ever seen an image of either these team's before?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-24-2020, 02:34 PM
Leon's Avatar
Leon Leon is offline
Leon
peasant/forum owner
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: near Dallas
Posts: 34,374
Default

This was moved from the memorabilia forum to get a few more eyes on it. Nice stereoview.
__________________
Leon Luckey
Reply With Quote
Reply




Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Albumen Cabinet Photo Restoration Runscott Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used 0 04-10-2014 12:31 PM
Albumen photo Tom King vs John Heenan aaroncc Everything Else, Football, Non-Sports etc.. B/S/T 1 06-16-2013 05:18 PM
Albumen photo of Tom King vs John Heenan aaroncc Boxing / Wrestling Cards & Memorabilia Forum 1 06-16-2013 05:16 PM
original albumen photo circa 1884 of James Daly N29/N43 Archive Everything Else, Football, Non-Sports etc.. B/S/T 0 12-15-2007 10:07 AM
Albumen photo Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 6 03-31-2005 04:06 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:59 AM.


ebay GSB