RMY Auction - Conlon Prints

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Leon

What does that mean?
I like Henry a lot, we have a great rapport, but there is a little conflict when selling something you graded yourself. That said I would buy something from him, that he graded, in a heartbeat. But yes, there is a little conflict in "arms length" type transactions of photos he sells and grades. No doubt he stands behind his stuff 100%. I trust him a lot but again, no different than when I sell something and give my thoughts on it, there is a bias. I think Henry is good enough to be fair on every single thing he grades, whether his or not.

It means exactly what I said.
First of all, he doesn’t grade anything.. he authenticates. So, for example, if auction houses call something a type 1 yet don’t have a psa letter.. what’s the difference? It’s either authentic or it is not.
Besides, It’s a tired comment. This happens in bats, uniforms packs etc. etc. Must be a slow day on Net54

Is there an example in the last auction that someone thinks was authenticated incorrectly?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

It means exactly what I said.
First of all, he doesn’t grade anything.. he authenticates. So, for example, if auction houses call something a type 1 yet don’t have a psa letter.. what’s the difference? It’s either authentic or it is not.
Besides, It’s a tired comment. This happens in bats, uniforms packs etc. etc. Must be a slow day on Net54

Is there an example in the last auction that someone thinks was authenticated incorrectly?

So WTF about grading vs authenticating, it's the same thing we are talking about (arms length transaction).
It's not a tired comment to most of us, just you. .. Must be a slow day for one of us and it's not me LOL.....

As I had said, I trust him regardless of if he "authenticates" it or not and sells it himself or not. Thanks for your contribution though..

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Leon

So WTF about grading vs authenticating, it's the same thing we are talking about (arms length transaction).
It's not a tired comment to most of us, just you. .. Must be a slow day for one of us and it's not me LOL.....

As I had said, I trust him regardless of if he "authenticates" it or not and sells it himself or not. Thanks for your contribution though..

Merry Christmas

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Merry Christmas

Happy Hanukkah....

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

It means exactly what I said.
First of all, he doesn’t grade anything.. he authenticates. So, for example, if auction houses call something a type 1 yet don’t have a psa letter.. what’s the difference? It’s either authentic or it is not.
Besides, It’s a tired comment. This happens in bats, uniforms packs etc. etc. Must be a slow day on Net54

Is there an example in the last auction that someone thinks was authenticated incorrectly?

Next time you buy a house I am sure you'd have no issue whatsoever if the independent home inspector turns out to be the same dude you are buying the house from. Sure no problem at all. And when he tells you there is absolutely nothing wrong with the house, I'm sure you'll believe him and not be the slightest bit uncomfortable. I mean what ulterior motive could he possibly have?

[Runscott]

Steve, that is way different. If no one else has explained it to you by the time I get to a real keyboard, then I will. But I do understand where you are coming from.

[Snapolit1]

Ok. Henry is beyond question a very legit guy. I get that. But I always thought the point of an authenticator is that they are an impartial third party to the transaction. No skin in the game so to speak.

[Runscott]

Henry doesn't need the PSA authentication to sell his stuff; however, since everyone knows he does the PSA authentication, it might make people wonder if there was no PSA Loa with his auctions. It is an odd situation to be in as a seller.

But the basic selling situation is no different than Rhys including his Loa with photos.

It is also relatively no different than me, Ben or David including our 'word' when we sell;e.g-if I bought a photo from David or Ben I would tell the next owner where it came from if they doubted my personal level of expertise (i am not all that famous).

As long as it is only authentication the buyer is concerned about, it all comes down to trust in the seller's skills as an authenticator.

[Runscott]

Grading is a different thing, as grading your own cards or photos adds incentive for manipulation.

[Exhibitman]

I guess it comes down to integrity and expertise. Frankly, when it comes to something other than assessing the condition of a card, there are issues that go beyond simply taking the item at face value and judging condition. If there is someone who has expertise and a good reputation, there is nothing wrong that person stating a position; give the opinion the credence or lack of credence that you wish. I am not willing to say that financial interest = dishonesty. It may indicate a need to look closer.

The underlying issue is anxiety caused by lack of expertise. With all due respect, if you are so unschooled in what you are buying that you have to place blind faith in a third party, you need to do some more homework before you jump in. One nit that I do tend to agree with picking is the lack of transparency in the process and the marketing. I'm all for showing your work, so to speak, in these situations. If the authenticator has a financial interest, I want to know and I will engage in some further due diligence if I can. If all the info is up front, the burden to investigate more is on the bidder.

I recently had an analogous situation with an autograph authentication. I couldn't get a TPG to issue a COA when I first got the item years ago because there were so few exemplars out there. So I did a ton of my own research and found enough signed items over the years that I was completely comfortable with offering the item as signed. I put that opinion up, in writing and with back-up documentation, when I sold the item. If the buyer believes in the quality of my research and agrees with my opinion, that's all that counts.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

No skin in the game so to speak.

Besides the fee they get paid for their "knowledge".

Those quotation marks are meant sarcastically.

Doug

[Dewey]

That Jackie Robinson 1945 UCLA pic, designated Vintage 1, sold by RMY for $1500 in March. It sold again last week by RMY for $127, this time accompanied by a PSA designation as a Type IV. Would love to know that story.

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by Dewey

That Jackie Robinson 1945 UCLA pic, designated Vintage 1, sold by RMY for $1500 in March. It sold again last week by RMY for $127, this time accompanied by a PSA designation as a Type IV. Would love to know that story.

Not the same image. edit... actually after looking back at them, it is. My bad,,,