Should we maintain a list of suspicious buyers and sellers?

[Eric72]

My point is this. You are defending a liar. 'Nuf said.

Best,

Eric

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Eric72

How about Ross Barnes?

One thing is for certain, I would much rather talk baseball with you than deal with this other nonsense... but I am on the east coast as well and my #1 preference is to go to sleep. So goodnight, y'all... sleep tight.

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Eric72

My point is this. You are defending a liar. 'Nuf said.

Best,

Eric

Didn't I myself write that he deserved to get kicked off the board? So how is that defending him?

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

Eric, you can have your dogmatic, black-and-white view of the world, but it is a simple one that doesn't hold ground under examination. You seem to think you know the truth about everything, and that is the biggest lie of your life.

My life is unaffected by lies, sir. Nor is it guided by dogma.

As for the black-and-white realities of life, they hold up under the strictest of scrutiny.

Best Regards,

Eric

[cyseymour]

Sure, Eric, well, you called me a moron because I don't agree with your concept of truth, a.k.a., The World According to Eric. As far as the things you've written, I could easily find ten falsities of yours just in this thread alone.

"My life is unaffected by lies, sir." That's a really funny one.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

Yes, but that is civil offense, not a criminal act, which you previously claimed Adrian committed. I'm still waiting for the evidence on that one.

By legal definition, you are right. Any remedy for his breach of contract would be sought in civil court. I was thinking more along the lines of disgraceful behavior though. I should have chosen my words more carefully.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

One thing is for certain, I would much rather talk baseball with you than deal with this other nonsense... but I am on the east coast as well and my #1 preference is to go to sleep. So goodnight, y'all... sleep tight.

I concur...let's agree to disagree regarding Adrian...and discuss baseball over the weekend.

I look forward to conversing...and I am on the East Coast, too.

Best Regards,

Eric

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

By legal definition, you are right. Any remedy for his breach of contract would be sought in civil court. I was thinking more along the lines of disgraceful behavior though. I should have chosen my words more carefully.

Even in civil court I don't think anyone could win because a) you'd have to prove damages, which is very difficult, other than the shipping charges and maybe some ebay fees, and b) with his mental illnesses it would be difficult to prove that he wasn't insane when he did it.

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I concur...let's agree to disagree regarding Adrian...and discuss baseball over the weekend.

I look forward to conversing...and I am on the East Coast, too.

Best Regards,

Eric

Cheers, Eric, we can agree to disagree, I like that. And I would enjoy talking baseball with you, as well.

Best regards,

Jamie

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

The World According to Eric.

"My life is unaffected by lies, sir."

Actually, it's a fairly nice place to be. The BS is practically nonexistent, and the banter is quite productive.

I look forward to speaking with you this weekend.

Best,

Eric

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

Even in civil court I don't think anyone could win because a) you'd have to prove damages, which is very difficult, other than the shipping charges and maybe some ebay fees, and b) with his mental illnesses it would be difficult to prove that he wasn't insane when he did it.

I would agree with you, except that he openly acknowledged what he did was wrong, and then he did it again, and boasted about doing it. He said (paraphrasing) "why would this seller care if I didn't pay them this $500, because they know in two weeks I'm going to buy and pay for a $1,000 card".

And if Adrian were to plea insanity (now we're beyond my legal education. I cannot recall if insanity can be a defense in civil court. Maybe one of our attorneys can answer definitively), I do know that insanity would mean he could not enter into a legally binding contract, which would preclude him from buying on Ebay anymore.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I am trying to protect you, myself, and the good and honest members of this forum that are tired of the crooked behavior that is running rampant throughout our hobby.

I would guess that I've made ~1000 transactions (buying and selling) in the past five years since I have returned to the hobby. That total includes this forum, eBay, auction houses, and multiple other card and coin forums. In that time I have had a grand total of 0 issues. Knock on wood. Sure I've had a couple of NPB's, but in the end I'm really out nothing but time. How have I accomplished this?

- I've been lucky.
- I use common sense.
- I study high dollar items before I make a purchase.
- I pay immediately.
- I ship securely within two business days of payment with tracking.
- I make sure the buyer is receiving exactly what he/she is expecting.
- I only pay gift to trusted members of the community.
- I am patient.
- I never "take a chance".
- I use common sense.

I do not believe this site needs a running blacklist because it is in all probability one of the safest collecting communities online. The vast majority of message board scammers are under 18, deal in shiny cards, or both and that pretty much leaves this little oasis on the fringe. I'm sure some will sneak through the cracks here, but as long as you protect yourself in unsure situations the most you should have to face is a hassle and not a loss. Not to mention the liability Leon would be putting himself up against. I have seen many names called out on this forum before and some of them have deep pockets, huge egos, and a retainer already paid in full. The responsibility should be on individual raising the issue, not the forum in which the issue is raised.

If eBay is the market the scares you then just check the CU forums daily. They offer up a half-dozen names for the BBL list everyday. It is like a sport over there.

If you are afraid that you are getting shilled follow this advice someone once gave me: "Never bid more than you are willing to pay." If I put a $500 bid in on an item and win it for $498 I don't look to see if I might have been shilled up. I look and see when/who I have to pay. Until eBay reverses there "hidden bidder" policy it will continue and even if high volume consignment brokers like Probstein took it upon themselves to police the thousands of auctions that they run someone who wants to shill their auction will find an alternate/friend's/new account to do so on.

I'm not trying to insinuate that this thread was a bad idea or that you are wrong for bringing up the issue, I just feel that being smart protects you in 99.9% of transactions and paypal protects you in the other .01%. (If you're the buyer. )

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Duly noted, sir.

Good luck with lying to get you through your days.

Best Regards,

Eric

"Does this dress make me look fat?"

[ullmandds]

Steve...youve changed my mind! I too have han many transactions virtually with nary a hiccup... And I practice similar virtues as you.

Caveat emptor...educate yourselves and proceed with caution.