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Babe Ruth...no doubt.

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No doubt...Babe Ruth.

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Leon Luckey...perhaps some doubt

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Babe Ruth, with just a touch of doubt

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Babe Ruth

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Ted Williams, without a doubt!

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The Babe!

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lol what now we have some thing with doubt

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The Babe. But I also like Lou Gehrig(hes number 1 in my book).

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Greatest Hitter - Ty Cobb
Greatest Slugger - Babe Ruth
Greatest All around Hitter - Ted Williams

So to answer the question, Ty Cobb is the greatest hitter.
Highest career batting average can attest to that.

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Babe

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I agree with Jay, it's Ty Cobb. Without a doubt.

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Joe Sewell (only 114 total strikeouts in 7,132 AB's is unbelievable)

...seriously though I would go along with Jay, best "pure hitter" is Cobb, best "slugger" would be Ruth.
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I'll put in a token vote for RAJAH
Averaged over 400 BA. in a 5 yr stretch, Tough Out..I would say.

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Mr. Cobb has been the best absolute hitter.

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If character counts, Stan Musial.

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"Joe Sewell (only 114 total strikeouts in 7,132 AB's is unbelievable)"

Is that the lowest ever for that amount of AB's. All i can say is WOW. A total of 114, today player have that in one year.

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Nice card!!! I like some obscure strips and that is one I do....

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Leon, nice card - what is it? I've never seen it before

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Leon, is that postcard sized? I'm pretty sure I saw one that was advertised as a postcard.

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Posted By: Tony Andrea

It's a toss up. Babe Ruth & Ted Williams stand tall above the rest.
You can't go wrong with either one as your choice.

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Ted Williams Boston Red Sox

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Old 12-11-2007, 06:03 PM
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Posted By: Richard L.

The Cobb/Ruth match-up is a tough one to call. Cobb started
his career a bit earlier and before the big homerun seasons.
Ruth started out as a pitcher(a darn good one too) and one
could say he "invented" the big homerun season after being
converted to an outfielder. Here are some stats from
baseballreference.com
Based on a 162 game season average
(although the season was 154 games then).
I find it interesting Ruth averaged 40 more HR's
per season, but only 40 RBI's more per season.

ab h 2b 3b hr rbi bb so avg ob% slug.%

COBB 610 224 39 16 6 103 67 19 366 434 512

RUTH 544 186 33 9 46 143 133 86 342 474 690


Led League:

Cobb:------------- Ruth:
hits-8------------ hr-12
rbi-4------------- rbi-6
total bases-6----- total bases-6
batting-11-------- slugging-13

rbi per hr ratio:
Cobb 16 to 1
Ruth 3 to 1


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In my opinion:

#9 The Splendid Splinter- Theodore Samuel Williams!!!!

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It's the size of a postcard and was a 1921 Barnstorming Ruth Premium. It's on heavy cardboard as can be seen. I haven't ever seen it offered as a postcard but it wouldn't surprise me. Here's an excerpt if anyone is interested, about the 1921 Barnstorming team....I found it at "howstuffworks.com".....

__________________________________________________ ___________________________
ca.1920

When Commissioner Landis heard that Ruth, Bob Meusel, and a few others were planning to take their show on the road, he acted instantly, calling Ruth to command that he stay home. Ruth, not surprisingly, refused. He was on his way to catch the train that would take him to Buffalo, first stop in the tour.

"Oh, you are, are you? That's just fine. But if you do, it will be the sorriest thing you ever did in baseball," the enraged judge shouted before he slammed down the receiver. He proceeded to rail at length about the young Ruth's boldness in gutter language.

Landis saw the World Series as his domain, and he desperately needed to establish the legitimacy of that Series as a championship, not just another exhibition. Anyone trying to challenge that was defying him personally.

Ruth wasn't intimidated. What could Landis do -- refuse to pay him his World Series share? The fact is, playing the World Series cost Babe Ruth money. A good barnstorming tour could put $25,000 in his pocket.

Landis laid down the law in frighteningly direct terms: "This case resolves itself into a question of who is the biggest man in baseball, the Commissioner or the player who makes the most home runs." Ruth's bosses, Huston and Ruppert, quietly concurred with the chief.

The tour didn't make much money. Bad weather rained out many games. Other cities feared Landis's wrath and cancelled. Many minor league teams, also cowed by the commissioner, forbade the barnstormers to use their fields.

The baseball barnstorming over, Ruth went on a vaudeville tour with performer Wellington Cross. The biggest laugh of their act came when a "messenger" delivered a "telegram."

Ruth said his line, "It's from Judge Landis."

Cross would then respond, "Is it serious?"

"I'll say," Ruth replied. "Seventy-five cents, collect."

Landis waited until December to hand down his rulings. He withheld World Series shares from Ruth and Meusel and then suspended them from playing until May 20, 1922. It would cost them each 39 days without pay. Ruth was advised to beg for leniency. He went quail hunting instead.

The Babe Muddles Through

Although an athlete of rare proportions, the 26-year-old Ruth was still an adolescent emotionally. He was good-hearted -- with his first 1922 paycheck he bought a Cadillac for St. Mary's -- but confused.

Imagine the poor Babe's emotional muddle. Here he was, a supremely gifted athlete playing the game he loved most dearly at a level of profound excellence no one had ever seen before. His awesome physical skills were at their peak. He was making money no ballplayer had ever approached, more money in one season than most Americans would see in 10 years of work.

Early in 1922, he signed a three-year contract for $52,000 a year, more than three times as much as the next highest-paid Yankee. (The story goes that the extra $2,000 was determined by a coin flip because Babe "liked the idea" of making a thousand dollars a week.) He was earning that much again in outside deals, endorsements, vaudeville, and barnstorming.

Yet here he was, banned from playing baseball. Banned from doing what he did best (not to mention better than anyone else), and banned from making money at it. The reason?

He had played baseball and made money at it.

Spring Training 1922

Interestingly, the ban of Ruth and Meusel did not apply during spring training. Ruth had singlehandedly turned the expected dollar losses of southern spring workouts into positive cash flow for the team. People paid to see the big lug, no matter where it was. So the team made money.

Some say the Yankees made enough on spring training ticket sales to pay Ruth's salary for the entire season. The imperious Landis had no qualms about penalizing the boy-man and his cohort for disobedience, but he could not see fit to take money out of the ample pockets of Ruppert and Huston.

During the spring, Landis made a trip to New Orleans (a curious place to locate spring training for a high-living bunch like the Yankees). There, Ruth and Meusel met with him to plead their case for early reinstatement. Landis had already received a petition signed by 10,000 New Yorkers begging for just that.

When the two players left, apparently having heard both barrels of a full-blown Landis diatribe, only Babe could speak. His comment: "That guy sure can talk." That night Landis attended a charity game and auction. He proceded to outbid everyone ($250) to win a Ruth-autographed baseball.

But Landis wanted more than contrition. He wanted a promise that Ruth would never go on off-season barnstorming tours again. Unless, of course, they were tours from spring training north, in which the Yankees would make most of the money.

Ruth bristled against that idea until Huston asked him, "What would happen to the Yankees if you and Meusel got suspended for a whole year?" The Babe saw the light. He was also named captain, a largely honorary title, but one that meant much to him.

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The best hitter..........Ruth,.... But if the HOFer`s are standing in line for a pickup game and I get to pick first......... Lou Gehrig

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Hmmm...Ruth was far and away better than any of his contemporaries. Moreso than anyone in the history of the game.

Ted Williams I'd put at a close second - what kind of career number would he have without WWII and Korea? Easily 600+ homers.

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Best Hitter = Cobb

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cobb and ruth were two different types of hitters but both great.

greatest hitter = TY COBB

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Posted By: Frank

Read Baseball Between The Numbers by Baseball Prospectus for some interesting insight on this topic. They compare Ruth vs Bonds in both relative and absolute terms. Fascinating stuff.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

LEON

Great story on the Babe vs Kenesaw Mtn. Landis.

There's another Georgian that a young Ruth got the best of....Ty Cobb. Cobb taunted the young Southpaw in his early pitching years
with Boston. And, more often than not, Ruth would strike him out. It was a battle of Lefty vs Lefty and Ruth prevailed.

When comparing Ruth to Cobb, the most meaningful measurement is their Runs Produced Index (RPI).

Ruth's RPI = 2.3.....or a Run scored or driven in every 2.3 times at bat.

Cobb's RPI = 2.8

Ruth wins in this Statistic.


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Thanks Leon,

Interesting story regarding Ruth and the barnstorming tours.


RC

Oh yeah, greatest hitter... I have to go with the Babe.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Hmmm...interestingly enough I was outbid earlier today on a panorama which has Bob Meusel playing a barnstorming game against the Shell Oil team in California in Nov of 1923.

http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=3203436

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Cobb
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batting against Ruth . He batted at a .328 clip but I suppose it is lower than his career average of .366 .
COBB all the way !

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The best I've ever seen, regardless of how he got there.

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Of course, Ty Cobb, Ruth was a great slugger though.

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ruth
cobb
jackson

period.

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(Jeff - don't you also own the Herp's Cobb? A post of that is always in order.)

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Damn, Cobb cards are great, right?




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Jeff,

Great Oxford and Novelty cards.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

I agree with Ed Ivey, that if it is character, then it is Mr. Musial.


I recall reading about Cobb going for home runs one day in St. Louis. It was in the 20s, after Ruth had been pounding home runs. He told a writer he would go for home runs that day, I think he hit 4, along with a double or two, in a double header. Maybe I remember that better than it was... Cobb told the reporter that he could do what the Babe was doing, but that his normal style of play was a better approach toward winning.

I'll see if I can find that. But I'm sure it won't sway the Ruth diehards.

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