"Long Tom" Hughes and "Salida Tom" Hughes Autograph Scan Request

[bender07]

There appears to be a big difference between Jan and Feb '49. Stroke maybe?

[David Atkatz]

Letter formation is quite different. They don't appear to be done by the same person. Although in each piece, Hughes identifies himself as the "correct" one; i.e. the Tom Hughes who played for Washington in 1904.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by bender07

There appears to be a big difference between Jan and Feb '49. Stroke maybe?

Boy Mark,
That sure is a big difference in his handwriting. I suspect that your stroke hypothesis is correct...

[bender07]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Boy Mark,
That sure is a big difference in his handwriting. I suspect that your stroke hypothesis is correct...

To David's point, I doubt these were signed in the same hand since the construct of the some of the letters are completely different ("S" for example). I wonder if his wife wrote the letter? I'd be interested if Jim Stinson, Jodi or Rhys have any thoughts.

[ss]

Here is an exemplar from Salida Tom Hughes. This has some similarities with David's ALS.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by ss

Here is an exemplar from Salida Tom Hughes. This has some similarities with David's ALS.

Hey Steve,
Interesting! I've never even seen an exemplar of Salida Tom.

Thomas L. Hughes aka Salida Tom Hughes is one tough autograph. He is one guy that I am looking for to complete my collection.

I'm curious about the exemplar you posted. Do you recall where the exemplar originated from? It appears to be on a baseball, or is that just the scan?
I'd really appreciate any details you could share, or please send me a PM.

Here are a couple photos of Salida Tom in all his glory. The first image is a snapshot of Tom while he was playing for the NY Highlanders. The second is a snapper of Tom on the Boston Braves.

[ss]

Sure. It was from a 1914 team signed ball in Legendary Auctions.

[Scott Garner]

Perfect! Thanks for the info Steve.
Now at least I have an exemplar for Salida Tom for my records...

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by ss

Sure. It was from a 1914 team signed ball in Legendary Auctions.

Hi Steve,
I'm still confused...

What 1914 team is this team ball supposedly from? The signature, as noted by others on this thread, looks very similar to the 1949 GPC of Thomas J. Hughes.
If this signature is of Salida Tom this would have to be a 1914 Boston Braves ball. Is there a possibility that you could send me a link to the Legendary Auction lot from which this scan originated?

Thanks in advance for your help!

[Michael B]

No one else mentioned it, but who else noticed that the signatures that Scott and Steve posted are the exact same signature? I am not talking similar, but it appears that SABR used that index card as the exemplar for their book.

[ss]

Yes, you're right, I did notice that after the fact.

[prewarsports]

My personal opinion is that the letter and the signature were not signed by the same person. My guess without having ever owned one myslef or having these in person (going PURELY off the scans) and given the similar dates of the letter/card is that the letter was dictated to a third party (wife or something) and secretarially written. Once again, just my impression from looking at three total examples, but the ball and the signature look very similar in letter formation and slant despite the 30 year gap and neither looks anything like the letter.

Just my opinion from a VERY small sample size.

Rhys

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

My personal opinion is that the letter and the signature were not signed by the same person. My guess without having ever owned one myslef or having these in person (going PURELY off the scans) and given the similar dates of the letter/card is that the letter was dictated to a third party (wife or something) and secretarially written. Once again, just my impression from looking at three total examples, but the ball and the signature look very similar in letter formation and slant despite the 30 year gap and neither looks anything like the letter.

Just my opinion from a VERY small sample size.

Rhys

Rhys,
Thanks for posting up on this.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

My personal opinion is that the letter and the signature were not signed by the same person. My guess without having ever owned one myslef or having these in person (going PURELY off the scans) and given the similar dates of the letter/card is that the letter was dictated to a third party (wife or something) and secretarially written. Once again, just my impression from looking at three total examples, but the ball and the signature look very similar in letter formation and slant despite the 30 year gap and neither looks anything like the letter.

Just my opinion from a VERY small sample size.

Rhys

The ball was signed by Salida Tom, NOT Long Tom, Rhys.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

The ball was signed by Salida Tom, NOT Long Tom, Rhys.

Hi David,
Just curious, is this the only example of Salida Tom's handwriting that you have ever seen, or have you seen others?
Thanks!

[David Atkatz]

It's a first for me, Scott.