1936 Sport Stamp Conundrum - Ebay Guarantee

[ullmandds]

im sorry but to me...these are newspaper clippings...not "cards" in any way, shape or form...and should not be considered as such.

[ullmandds]

Nor is it even a stamp, imho...as these have no adhesive properties. I do think they are kinda cool...and can be scarce or even rare...but not a stamp...def not a card. I'm sure the recipient will be fine as the card is entombed.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Nor is it even a stamp, imho...as these have no adhesive properties. I do think they are kinda cool...and can be scarce or even rare...but not a stamp...def not a card. I'm sure the recipient will be fine as the card is entombed.

One group of stamps I specialize in was issued without gum. So they also never had adhesive properties. (and are far from the only ones just in US stamps. )

The same stamps were also issued 5 separate times on three different card stocks.... So while they're stamps, they might be closer to cards that depicted stamps that were issued in sets.

[ullmandds]

i can live with that steve.

[gonefishin]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

im sorry but to me...these are newspaper clippings...not "cards" in any way, shape or form...and should not be considered as such.

I respect that Pete, not everyone does. I happen to be on the fence, as there are a lot of items out there one might not consider a card. Heck, even the ones we cut off cereal boxes in the 60s I can see as someone not considering them cards. How about the ones that came in potato chips, ice cream, or cut out of magazine such as Sports Illustrated, etc. It could go on and on and on.

[D. Bergin]

IMO SGC slabbed it as a "card". even if it says "stamp" on the label. SGC is not a "stamp" grading company. They are a "card" grading company. So it's a card in the spirit of what the authentication program is about, regardless of what anybody's else's opinion is on the matter.

This is a low stakes debate however. As long as it eventually gets to the buyer in safe order, then all is well with the world.

[Leon]

If T332s and T330-2s can be considered cards these can too. But at minimum, the Sports Stamps were stamps in a newspaper to be collected. Just my view, yours may differ
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[gonefishin]

Great opinions so far. I don't know if Ebay is now charging for their Guarantee Program, but if I was a customer that paid for the Guarantee Program and the item was sent to them saying the item was misclassified (which I believe it wasn't), I would be a little upset.

That's why this is a little bit concerning to me, as I feel I didn't misclassify the item simply because I listed it under the sports card category.

By the way, this was an expensive card that far exceeded the minimum requirement.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

Great opinions so far. I don't know if Ebay is now charging for their Guarantee Program, but if I was a customer that paid for the Guarantee Program and the item was sent to them saying the item was misclassified (which I believe it wasn't), I would be a little upset.

That's why this is a little bit concerning to me, as I feel I didn't misclassify the item simply because I listed it under the sports card category.

By the way, this was an expensive card that far exceeded the minimum requirement.

The customer isn't paying for anything. You are paying for it.

[Jay Wolt]

Topps has issued stamps several times, they are not mean for postage, but they are stamps
Same as the 1936 Sports stamps & Leon's examples

[gonefishin]

Originally Posted by bnorth

The customer isn't paying for anything. You are paying for it.

I was not charged a Authenticity Guarantee fee for the listing.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

im sorry but to me...these are newspaper clippings...not "cards" in any way, shape or form...and should not be considered as such.

I've voiced a similar opinion in the past and was shot down as well. No problem; this is one that people will always disagree on.

To me, simply (practically worthless) period newspaper clippings. To someone else, a treasure, I guess.

I just noticed the header: "Reprints of Sport Stamps". Where are the originals? It's an honest question. This is not my area.

[gonefishin]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

I've voiced a similar opinion in the past and was shot down as well. No problem; this is one that people will always disagree on.

To me, simply (worthless) period newspaper clippings. To someone else, a treasure, I guess.

I just noticed the header: "Reprints of Sport Stamps". Where are the originals? It's an honest question. This is not my area.

Funny thing, I know a lot of people that think the same thing about every baseball card ever issued! Those same people say they wouldn't pay a nickel for every Mickey Mantle card ever issued.

It's all just cardboard and paper - right?

[facex002]

If the card is slabbed, they're just evaluating that it hasn't been tampered with, if I understand it correctly. Who cares if they want to call it a card or not? That seems irrelevant to what they're asked to authenticate.

[Exhibitman]

Not sure I follow what happened here.

They don't grade these?



No, that can't be it.

They didn't pass it? Then it should be sent back to the seller, not sent to the buyer, per the rules of the program:

"If the inspector cannot determine that the product is authentic, or if the product is not as described in the listing, the item will be returned to you and the buyer will receive their money back."

I don't see anything that allows them to send it to the buyer and also refuse to honor the authenticity guarantee.

[gonefishin]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Not sure I follow what happened here.

They don't grade these?



No, that can't be it.

They didn't pass it? Then it should be sent back to the seller, not sent to the buyer, per the rules of the program:

"If the inspector cannot determine that the product is authentic, or if the product is not as described in the listing, the item will be returned to you and the buyer will receive their money back."

I don't see anything that allows them to send it to the buyer and also refuse to honor the authenticity guarantee.

The authenticity is not the issue. It is real and authentic. They stated that I had not listed in the correct category, I listed it under sports cards. Since they evidently don't consider the Sport Stamp a "card", it was not authenticated and simply forwarded to the buyer. They don't authenticate anything other than "cards".

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by gonefishin

The authenticity is not the issue. It is real and authentic. They stated that I had not listed in the correct category, I listed it under sports cards. Since they evidently don't consider the Sport Stamp a "card", it was not authenticated and simply forwarded to the buyer. They don't authenticate anything other than "cards".

So they slab and grade them as cards but don't consider them cards? Yeah, that tracks...