HOF -> Bonds & clemens

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

a statue with inability to move could have a 1.000 fielding % if it never made an error, but it would be a far worse fielder than a player who created more outs but made a few errors along the way.

Steve Garvey??

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Steve Garvey??

hahaha! nice!

I was thinking more along the lines of Adam Dunn, but your's works too!

That's the thing with fielding % it really doesn't tell us much about how good a defender a player is. Let us compare 2 SS's from 2016 :

Player A had a fielding % of .991

Player B had a fielding % of .982

if that's all we looked at one would say player A was the better defender, BUT!

Player A had 180 put outs and 389 assists (along with 86 double plays) in 1163 innings with 5 errors with 3 defensive runs saved and an ultimate zone rating per 150 games of 11.4

Player B had 198 put outs,337 assists and 76 double plays in 1045 innings with 10 errors with 18 defensive runs saved and a UZR/150 of 25.1

so, upon a deeper dive into the numbers we see that Player B had a far better defensive year than Player A with 15 more DRS in 118 less innings.

(Player A is Jose iglesias, Player B is Andrelton Simmons)


remember UZR and DRS account for positioning at the start of the play, range covered and the % chance that play is made (they are put in tranches based on %)

For an even more eye opening expose' of the mediocrity of fielding %, career SS rating since 1871 have Troy Tulowitski #1 with a career fielding % of .985 Ozzie Smith is 14th with a .978 (behind Cal Ripken! lol)

[clydepepper]

I don't know if anyone has posted the link to this particular article, but it makes for some interesting, then humorous reading.


http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/p...-each-mlb-team





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[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

I don't know if anyone has posted the link to this particular article, but it makes for some interesting, then humorous reading.


http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/p...-each-mlb-team





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Thanx for the link! Good article! (and i agree with most of their picks think Jack Morris ends up coming up short as his regular season results are kinda mediocre for a HOF pitcher. I tend to think his performance in 2 or 3 playoff games, while epic, are not enough to cover up a long career of slightly above avg performance)