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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Richard L.
It seems strange, according to Art's great/informative post, that the card was too be destroyed several years ago, so it should have never ended up in someone else's hands. That would be quite a story to unearth! |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Dave F
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Scot Reader
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: leon
our search function works well.... |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Steve Murray
It seems to me that with what the owner now knows about the card if a sale goes through to a BFP, despite that knowledge, then PSA, if found liable to the BFP, would have a third party action back against the seller. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: PC
Steve: I think the language added to the auction description defeats any BFP argument -- with that disclaimer, it would be hard for any purchaser of that card to try to recoup losses from PSA or from the seller. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Steve Murray
I agree. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Zach Rice
Per Art’s request, here is a picture of the Drum backed T206 Cobb that appeared in a Mastronet Auction in 2000. I don’t want to really get involved with this thread, but the card is obviously different than the one being offered on eBay. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: JK
If I understand correctly, this card was originally repurchased by PSA when it was pulled from the mastro auction. It was supposed to be destroyed by psa, but instead it ended up back in circulation in a BVG/BGS slab. Ultimately it is purchased by the Levys who resubmit it to psa. In my opinion, it is psa who should ultimately make the Levy's whole because of its failure to properly insure that the card was removed from circulation. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Steve Murray
Where does this revelation put us vis-a-vis the card on ebay? |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Steve Murray
it clearly isn't the same card. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Jon Canfield
If you look at Art M's post above, it seems pretty clear that the Drum back he posted from the Orser auction is the same Drum back on the new PSA Cobb - just look at that print dot/blemish on the left border. However, the Orser Drum back and the PSA 1 Cobb are clearly different than the PSA 2 Cobb. i still think the PSA 1 Cobb looks bad, but that PSA 2 Cobb that has been rebought (and possibly destroyed) doesn't look as bad. I don't see the same spider wrinkles as one would expect. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: JK
Steve, |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: ScottLevy
I just got off the phone with someone in the know about the situation. I've been told that Mr. Gary Moser was the individual who purchased a lot of rare backed cards in the Oser auction and then submitted this Cobb which was then a PSA2 to Mastronet, exactly as had been explained on here. However, hearing that name, we checked our records and discovered that we purchased the card from Gary Moser in the online auction. I plan to call BVG to find out who originally submitted the card but my guess is that its going to be Gary Moser. If anyone knows Gary, I'd sure like to have a chat with him. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Zach Rice
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Dan Kravitz
I believe this the very card I had in my hand at The National. I saw it at a dealers table in a BVG holder and asked if I could take it to SGC and if it was legit. If so, I would have bought it. Not only did SGC tell me it was a poor example of a re-backed card, but Mike Baker and PSA said they would not break it out of the BVG holder and put it in one of theirs. The edges made me pause when I first saw the card, and it didn't look right, but if SGC had said it was good I would have picked it up. I knew that the card was bogus, but it was worth a try. Instead of being out $7K+, I'm out $100 in grading fees. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: dan mckee
"How did this get through PSA" "When was it graded" you guys are killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!! You think PSA graders know cards older than 1951??? Good thing I was sitting down when I read this post. Rand, you know better and I know you know better! Dan. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: dan mckee
I bought this offline for $18K, How did I do? |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Dizzy Dean
Excuse me but (while this is a great thread) some of it is really just too much to take -- one of the people who RECENTLY weighing in on this topic has sold me (way back when) three trimmed T206's which were not represented as such on eBay (likely rejected back in the day before the major companies would slab a card as "Authentic"). |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"While I do have over a decade of experience in collecting T206 cards and rare backs, I am not a printing expert and probably wouldn't be able to myself judge if a card is rebacked or trimmed or altered, which is why for high value cards we tend to purchase graded items." |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Anonymous
Card has been re-sent to PSA for their review. I have also included several comment from board members on their view of its authenticity....which is most certainly in question now. Stay tuned for PSA's response. |
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Question about the Red Cobb Portait with Drum back T206
Posted By: Scott
PSA and ourselves have agreed to surrender T206 rebacked drum cobb to PSA for their training purposes and never to be released into the hobby again. PSA in turn has decided to compensate us for our original purchase price. |
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