The real, unseen side of The Green New Deal.

[irv]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm sorry but you lose me in your dissection of the history of Earth's climate. The Ice Age was brought on by natural disasters that forced debris into the air. The Ice Age ended when that debris cleared. There was nothing cyclical about the Ice Age.

It is beyond fact that changes in the temperature of the Earth have devastating consequences. It is beyond fact that the oceans are rising. It is beyond fact that the ice caps are melting. Why does it bother you that people want to do all they can to reverse these issues? Whether or not it will be successful is another issue. But what about the attempt makes people angry? Surely we all agree air and water quality and the overall quality of the Earth has degraded over the last 200 years. Surely we all agree that human behavior is the cause. Don't we?

No we don't.

Like I mentioned, the earth/climate has always changed and it always will whether we are on this planet or not. To think otherwise is just foolish.
Imo, once one educates themselves, it should be crystal clear that during our very very short time on earth, geologically speaking, we have had very little effect on how our climate has and will continue to change.
Those things you speak of all fodder for the alarmist movement where they use whatever means/lies they can to convince us we are the ones responsible for the climate changing.

[Cliff Bowman]

I absolutely agree that 7.6 billion people on Earth is a huge problem and is unsustainable, but the 63 million people who voted for the Orange Meanie are just a small fraction of that total and are a very small part of the problem.

[packs]

Originally Posted by irv

No we don't.

Like I mentioned, the earth/climate has always changed and it always will whether we are on this planet or not. To think otherwise is just foolish.
Imo, once one educates themselves, it should be crystal clear that during our very very short time on earth, geologically speaking, we have had very little effect on how our climate has and will continue to change.
Those things you speak of all fodder for the alarmist movement where they use whatever means/lies they can to convince us we are the ones responsible for the climate changing.

You don't think the industrial revolution has had any negative effects on the climate? It is your opinion that the pre and post industrial environments are the same?

The question (in my mind) has never been does the climate change naturally. The question has always been is our behavior causing those changes to become more extreme. I really don't understand how someone could view the Earth as suffering no ill effects after the age of industry. The agents we pump into the air every day are agents we know to be life threatening to ourselves. Doesn't it stand to reason that these actions are not inconsequential when it comes to the Earth at large?

[Republicaninmass]

Isnt projected to get much cooler now?

[Cliff Bowman]

To the person who brought up the garbage patches in the middle of oceans, the USA is responsible for less than 1% of that. You and your buddies have your priorities all screwed up. Yes, there are huge problems, but more often than not it’s the third world and that country of 1.5 billion people. ETA: my bad, 1.4 billion people.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by irv

No we don't.

Like I mentioned, the earth/climate has always changed and it always will whether we are on this planet or not. To think otherwise is just foolish.
Imo, once one educates themselves, it should be crystal clear that during our very very short time on earth, geologically speaking, we have had very little effect on how our climate has and will continue to change.
Those things you speak of all fodder for the alarmist movement where they use whatever means/lies they can to convince us we are the ones responsible for the climate changing.

Irv, you're right. The idea that all environmental events are 'one time' examples related entirely to the period where they occur, is nonsense. It's also ironic that some people feel that emergency changes in behavior must be made today for the good of future mankind, when the problems they describe are cyclical and future mankind will end up in the same boat regardless how their ancestors behave. Tthere are exceptions of course, but in general we just aren't as important as we might need to believe.

A hundred years from now such extremists will be gone, so future mankind has that going for them.

[ALR-bishop]

"Mankind is such a mystery. How can we ever fully understand mankind. Perhaps the best way to understand mankind is to study and analyze the word itself....mankind. It is a word made up of two smaller words.....mank and ind. But what do these two words mean ? No one knows. It is a mystery...just like mankind itself"... Jack Handey