Jackie Robinson statue stolen

[gunboat82]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

In an election year I don't take anything at face value in regards to racism claims etc. I truly hope they find the idiots who did this and the real story comes out. There have been alot of statues coming down in recent years sadly.

This is a weird comment. You think putting a Jackie Robinson statue in a burn barrel is a false-flag operation?

[packs]

There is a lot of bronze out there for you to scrap. I can't know anyone's motivation until they give it, but you'd think there are other opportunities than a statue of Jackie.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by gunboat82

This is a weird comment. You think putting a Jackie Robinson statue in a burn barrel is a false-flag operation?

Some people are in deep denial over the depth and pervasiveness of aniblack racism in this country. It's hard to imagine having ones head in the sand to that degree, but few things surprise me anymore when it comes to this issue. After all, according to some the civil war was about "states rights" and nothing more...

[packs]

I am reminded by the sad story of Emmett Till's bulletproof memorial:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/20/us/em...rnd/index.html

[campyfan39]

I think the most likely outcome is that it was stolen for the materials by some low lifes, probably for drugs. We just had the catalytic converter stolen from our church van a few weeks ago. We have had baby Jesus stolen for our nativity scene before. I don't automatically assume these people hate christians (though there are alot in this world that do). I think espn and anyone else who automatically claim its racism without any evidence are playing politics and stoking the racial divide for personal gain.

If that indeed comes to light as the motive, then they should be charged with a hate crime and punished more severely. Personally, I'd be fine if they were put in a trash can and burned.

I also don't "have my head in the sand" as referenced by another poster but you would have to, to not have seen Smollet, Whitmer, Wallace etc. cases where they were either completely staged or racism was presumed, only to be discovered it had nothing to do with it or the entire thing was fake.

Most people get along just fine. My white sister is married to a black man. My nephews are interracial. My middle son plays football and many of his closest friends are of a different race than him. I had a long discussion just last night with my white niece about Jackie as they are reading his biography in school as a part of Black History Month. They started yesterday. She is 11 and is now excited to come and see my Robinson cards and display this weekend. My son will also be in town for the weekend from college

One reason Campy is my favorite player is because he was interracial and got crap from both sides. That on top of the accident and yet he didn't ever lose his positive attitude, his Christian faith etc. He didn't grow bitter, he just kept smiling and won over many hearts because of it.

Originally Posted by gunboat82

This is a weird comment. You think putting a Jackie Robinson statue in a burn barrel is a false-flag operation?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I think the most likely outcome is that it was stolen for the materials by some low lifes, probably for drugs. We just had the catalytic converter stolen from our church van a few weeks ago. We have had baby Jesus stolen for our nativity scene before. I don't automatically assume these people hate christians (though there are alot in this world that do). I think espn and anyone else who automatically claim its racism without any evidence are playing politics and stoking the racial divide for personal gain.

If that indeed comes to light as the motive, then they should be charged with a hate crime and punished more severely. Personally, I'd be fine if they were put in a trash can and burned.

I also don't "have my head in the sand" as referenced by another poster but you would have to, to not have seen Smollet, Whitmer, Wallace etc. cases where they were either completely staged or racism was presumed, only to be discovered it had nothing to do with it or the entire thing was fake.

Most people get along just fine. My white sister is married to a black man. My nephews are interracial. My middle son plays football and many of his closest friends are of a different race than him. I had a long discussion just last night with my white niece about Jackie as they are reading his biography in school as a part of Black History Month. They started yesterday. She is 11 and is now excited to come and see my Robinson cards and display this weekend. My son will also be in town for the weekend from college

One reason Campy is my favorite player is because he was interracial and got crap from both sides. That on top of the accident and yet he didn't ever lose his positive attitude, his Christian faith etc. He didn't grow bitter, he just kept smiling and won over many hearts because of it.

Since you are indirectly responding to me, I am replying.

A few cherry-picked, isolated examples of staged hate crimes don't disprove the point that antiblack racism is deeply embedded into US history and culture, including the present. One needn't look further than the attempts of numerous state legislatures to ban the teaching of black history, or even worse, to try and revise it. (Teaching students that black slaves "learned valuable skills" while enslaved is one recent example.) The fact that black people can now play in the MLB, or sit anywhere they want to on a bus does not negate the rise in antiblack racism that we've seen over the last 10 to 15 years. It's almost as if something was going on from 2008 to 2016 that contributed to this, but I can't put my finger on what that was...

[irv]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Since you are indirectly responding to me, I am replying.

A few cherry-picked, isolated examples of staged hate crimes don't disprove the point that antiblack racism is deeply embedded into US history and culture, including the present. One needn't look further than the attempts of numerous state legislatures to ban the teaching of black history, or even worse, to try and revise it. (Teaching students that black slaves "learned valuable skills" while enslaved is one recent example.) The fact that black people can now play in the MLB, or sit anywhere they want to on a bus does not negate the rise in antiblack racism that we've seen over the last 10 to 15 years. It's almost as if something was going on from 2008 to 2016 that contributed to this, but I can't put my finger on what that was...

Your ignorance knows no bounds, but then again, I learned that about you in the covid, WW3 and climate threads.
You're simply regurgitating everything you've been told by your favorite political party and their funded news stations.
Ever have any thoughts of your own, ever have a questioning attitude, ever do any critical thinking, ever do any research outside of what is spewed to you as fact by them? No, of course you don't, because I think those things escape you.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Since you are indirectly responding to me, I am replying.

A few cherry-picked, isolated examples of staged hate crimes don't disprove the point that antiblack racism is deeply embedded into US history and culture, including the present. One needn't look further than the attempts of numerous state legislatures to ban the teaching of black history, or even worse, to try and revise it. (Teaching students that black slaves "learned valuable skills" while enslaved is one recent example.) The fact that black people can now play in the MLB, or sit anywhere they want to on a bus does not negate the rise in antiblack racism that we've seen over the last 10 to 15 years. It's almost as if something was going on from 2008 to 2016 that contributed to this, but I can't put my finger on what that was...

For some reason it is always a talking point, but was the US the first, or last, to have slave labor? Why it is so politized in the US. Are the liberals trying to compensate for being against the emancipation proclamation? Other countries dont have the dialog, including India who still basically has a caste system.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

For some reason it is always a talking point, but was the US the first, or last, to have slave labor? Why it is so politized in the US.

I find it interesting racism and slavery are so controversial, too. it is no secret that for hundreds of years after 1492 that Europeans needed to monopolize cheap labor sources to have success in the Americas. Capitalism is built upon the idea of labor conflict. Businesses want to pay the least amount possible. Laborers want the most possible. Since our religious founders and zealots felt bad enslaving white people, there were other plentiful non-white sources available. Once slavery was ended, capitalists continued to create additional sources of cheap labor that were just de facto slavery. In the West and along coats, use of cheap Asian and Mexican laborers proliferates. And just before COVID, lawsuits existed that transportation businesses in CA had so many fees that truckers actually owed their business for moving freight. I've never met someone who claims capitalism is in fact Religious salvation. But the way politicians defend capitalism when these facts are pointed out makes me think the church has to be around somewhere.

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[packs]

It's a talking point because it forces Americans to confront their identity as a country. Can you be the home of the free and the brave if the Civil Rights act needs to be passed to guarantee freedoms? Can your declaration of independence, and a declaration that all men are created equal, reflect reality if a large portion of your population does not have equal rights?

Then there's World Wars 1 and 2, where large portions of the population fought for ideas of freedom and against tyranny only to return to a country where they weren't allowed to drink out of a water fountain, for example.

It gets talked about a lot because for a long time it wasn't talked about at all.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by packs

It's a talking point because it forces Americans to confront their identity as a country. Can you be the home of the free and the brave if the Civil Rights act needs to be passed to guarantee freedoms? Can your declaration of independence, and a declaration that all men are created equal, reflect reality if a large portion of your population does not have equal rights?

Then there's World Wars 1 and 2, where large portions of the population fought for ideas of freedom and against tyranny only to return to a country where they weren't allowed to drink out of a water fountain, for example.

It gets talked about a lot because for a long time it wasn't talked about at all.

It's also being talked about a lot now because of how much hate and divisiveness has been increasing in recent years. Depending who you talk to, slavery is either a painful legacy that continues to be harmful, or a dredged-up political tool used by the far-left to make white people feel bad.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I think the most likely outcome is that it was stolen for the materials by some low lifes, probably for drugs.

The truck used in the crime was abandoned and has been recovered, I am assuming it was a stolen vehicle, the cops won’t say right now. The statue weighs 300 to 400 pounds. Bronze is currently going for $2.45 a pound for scrap. That’s a $750-$1000 payday for a small crew. There were at least three of them, I saw a surveillance video of two guys lifting the statue on to the bed of the truck while someone was backing up the truck. It sounds to me like this was a hit by a crew who didn’t think things all the way through and ditched what was left of their attempts to melt and smash the statue when they realized the uproar over the statue. If I turn out to be wrong I will be the first to admit I have my head in the sand. I wonder how many posters here will do the same if they turn out to be wrong.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I wonder how many posters here will do the same if they turn out to be wrong.

The same number as always happens when a group of people immediately runs with a convenient political narrative they are wed too without any of the actual evidence available yet and later turns out to be false - just drop it and never acknowledge it or continue to insist on it anyways in the face of all evidence.

It is usually best to await the evidence, find out what actually happened, and then decide if you can use the incident to attack the side you don't like or virtue signal.

[egri]

Every thread needs a card:



And since Campy was mentioned as well:

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by egri

Every thread needs a card:
And since Campy was mentioned as well:

Nice cards!