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Old 04-06-2009, 04:25 PM
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Hey big guy.....in 1956, Playhouse 90 (on TV) also did "Requiem for a Heavyweight" with Jack Palance in the lead role.
Both performances (the TV one and the movie) were great. Anthony Quinn has always been one of my favorite actors.

I will reiterate.....you have enlighten us on 2 fronts in this thread.....identifying the early version of the SQUARE cards
as the "Sports Star Subjects" issue....and, the existence of Bond Bread packaged movie star cards.

This thread is a great example of the powerful resources we have in this forum. I really appreciate your contributions
here in unraveling some of the mysteries associated with these cards.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

It's my understanding that only 24 cards (22 BB and Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) were in the sets that Dave Festberg sold.
Is this true for the set you have ?

You may be right about the cards in Festburg's "find" not being "Reprints"; however, illustrated here is the problem I have
with the "Festburg cards".


.................1947 Bond Bread....................."1949 Sports Star Subjects"
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.................1947 Bond Bread.....................card from Festburg "find"

BACKS

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Note the difference in the discolored cardboard of the Festburg "find" card

Furthermore, the two Jansen cards and the 1947 Bond Bread Stephens card are printed on thicker cardboard than the
SQUARE Stephens card. Also, there is a higher printing quality (contrast) in two Jansen cards and the 1947 Bond Bread
Stephens card with respect to the Stephens card of the Festberg find.

David....one final question....if you tell me that your set has only 24 cards, then what happened to the other 24 cards
in the original set of 48 cards ?

Best regards and thanks for posting,

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Posted By: David M

Ted, thanks for responding. I'll have to check what cards I have when I get home and I'll post an answer.

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Posted By: David M

Ted, I do indeed have 24 cards in my "set". However, none are discolored on the back as you show. They are a creamy white. The 24 include Stan Musial, Jackie Robinson, Ted Williams, Ralph Kiner, Phil Rizzuto, Enos Slaughter, Bob Feller, Johnny Mize, Lou Boudreau, Bobbie Doerr, John Sain, Vern Stephens, Ken Keltner, Bob Elliott, Johnny Pesky, Ewell Blackwell, Del Ennis, Andy Pafko, Harry Brechen, Joe Gordon, Aaron Robinson, Tommy Holmes, and Joe Louis, and Primo Carnera. They are of course, square cornered and thinner than a regular card. But I can't explain why the backs appear different than what you are reporting.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for posting your cards.....and, judging from the backs, your cards appear to be uncirculated ones from the Sports
Star Subjects issue. Just as you previously said.

All I can say is that these little B/W cards never cease to amaze me. I was under the impression that Festberg's find con-
sisted of the SQUARE cards printed on the "inferior" cardboard stock. Back to the drawing board for me....because we still
haven't determined the source of the cards that are on thinner stock whose backs are discolored.

I still maintain that some where along the line, some one "reprinted" (or reproduced) them from the 24 cards in your set. As,
the identical subjects are found with the inferior cardboard (and, none of the other 24 in the original 1947 Bond Bread set).


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Posted By: David M

Ted, that theory makes sense. So when do we think the 24 cards I have were made (1949)? It's a shame all of the square cornered cards have been lumped together by the grading companies. I think it was mentioned before that the major grading companies won't grade these, is that correct? Maybe this thread will make them rethink their position on these cards.

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Posted By: boxingcardman

1. Where do we fit in the PC sized cards?

2. Who is known in the PC sized cards?

3. Has anyone compiled a checklist of the 2 sided perforated cards?

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Posted By: David M

Adam, I have some other questions regarding the cards you mentioned, the "Sports Star Subjects". You said they were issued in 4 boxes of 12 each. So I assume that means there are 48 different cards in that issue which would match the original 1947 Bond Bread cards. You mentioned these cards and how they were sold. Did you see them for sell in the store, if so what year? Or did you see the boxes for sell in some auction? It would be great if we were able to figure out the date of issue.

I noticed your George Raft card doesn't have the same script used for his name as the baseball and boxing cards. Based on this significant difference, my guess is that your movie star card is not really one of the bread cards. Or if it is, it is from a completely different year. But that's just a guess.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The Movie Stars' cards had their names printed.....note my Jimmy Stewart card.


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George Raft had close connections to Baseball. As a teenager, he was a bat-boy for the New York
Highlanders (circa 1910). He also tried out for semi-pro baseball before becoming a movie star. An
avid baseball fan, George Raft would attend every World Series from the late 1920's thru to 1957.

Barry Sloate has seen many autographed items (photos, etc.) of Raft with star BB players.


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Posted By: Dave Hornish

I have been reading this thread with interest and have now scanned a 1/22/93 SCD article concerning the 24 card "subset". Whether or not the author's comments are all true I cannot say but is does shed some light no matter:

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