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Old 04-03-2009, 10:06 PM
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Default 1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

It was the Summer of '47....my sister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread packages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams,
a Stan Musial, or the new rookie sensation....a Jackie Robinson BB card. Our Mom couldn't buy enough of the Bond Bread loafs. So, we
had our Dad buying Bond Bread for his restaurant and our Aunt buying Bond Bread. In the Fall of 1947, we experienced one of the most
exciting World Series ever played. 1947 was a tremendous year for BB, and a great start for me in the wonderful life-long hobby of col-
lecting BB cards. These B/W cards were really popular with the kids in our neighborhood. By trading & sharing our collections with each
other, we eventually realized that there were no more than 44 BB players and 4 Boxers in a complete set.


1947 Homogenized BOND BREAD wrapper


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Many cards in this set are the very 1st (or rookie) cards issued of the players. Shown here are the 1st cards of Yogi Berra, Stan Musial,
Jackie Pobinson, Gil Hodges, Ralph Kiner and Bobby Thomson.

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This set has been the source of much confusion in the hobby for many years. The only true 1947 Bond Bread cards are these 48 in this
general set and the Jackie Robinson set. All of which have beveled (or ROUNDED) corners in order to fit into the bread loaf packages.
Unfortunately, other issues that resemble the Bond Bread cards that were issued after 1947 and were never packaged in Bond Bread loafs
have been mis-identified as "1947 Bond Bread" cards. Grading Co. have been most guilty of erroneously labeling these SQUARE "imposters".

Shown here are two cards from the 1949 (unknown) issue which includes 24 of the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and
an additional BB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that era were included. These cards may have been printed by the
same firm that printed the 1947 set. However, their SQUARE corners and their inferior cardboard stock belie the fact that these cards are
NOT related to the "1947 Bond Bread" issue.
A recent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest a 1949 issue date since Walker Cooper is depicted in this col-
lection as a NY Giant (Cooper was traded to Cinci in the Summer of '49).


1949 (unknown) issue

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A 1947 Bond Bread Team/checklist will follow in the next post here.


TED Z

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Old 12-30-2009, 10:02 PM
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Before I begin, let me state that this is an old thread (from early 2009........I can still remember that year as though it was yesterday....).


This is for prosperity and for Ted Z.... The following eBay item just ended:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=230415942970

It was for the complete 24 card '47 Bond Bread imposter cards/set (22 baseball + Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) which were unearthed by Dave Festberg. The seller stated he purchased the set in 1990 from B&J as noted in the SCD article. The card backs were the beige variety not the white version.

I passed on bidding on this item but was surprised to see it only sold for $102 (Nr/Mt set). I have always greatly appreciated everything I have learned (and continue learning) about this set from Ted Z., but at the end of his dissertations it always makes my head hurt. Plus, there is always the possibility that it is in fact a reprinted set. Guess, others feel the same way.

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Before I begin, let me state that this is an old thread (from early 2009........I can still remember that year as though it was yesterday....).


This is for prosperity and for Ted Z.... The following eBay item just ended:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=230415942970

It was for the complete 24 card '47 Bond Bread imposter cards/set (22 baseball + Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) which were unearthed by Dave Festberg. The seller stated he purchased the set in 1990 from B&J as noted in the SCD article. The card backs were the beige variety not the white version.

I passed on bidding on this item but was surprised to see it only sold for $102 (Nr/Mt set). I have always greatly appreciated everything I have learned (and continue learning) about this set from Ted Z., but at the end of his dissertations it always makes my head hurt. Plus, there is always the possibility that it is in fact a reprinted set. Guess, others feel the same way.

Lovely Day...
I am with you on the head hurting and I just got into this a week ago. My cards truly were found in an old scrapbook I have from around Cleveland Indian World Series time (1948). All my neighborhood was collecting these cards, so I know they are original and not reprinted. My dilemma is why are the same pictures in the first set of 48 in my set of 24. Also, my picture of Vern Stephens is in a St Louis Browns uniform of 1947, and in 48 and later he played for Red Sox. In my eye, when I look at the back of my pics, they look white, considering the age.
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The fact that Stephens appears in a 1947 uniform in a later card is not an anachronism. If he'd been in a Red Sox uni it would disprove an issue date from before the trade.
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As they say, "A picture is worth a thousand words". Since DiMaggio isn't supposed to be available with square corners, maybe you could take a pic of just that card.
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As they say, "A picture is worth a thousand words". Since DiMaggio isn't supposed to be available with square corners, maybe you could take a pic of just that card.
I posted the Di Maggio and just think, there are 11 more square corners...... this is too much fun,,,, I think that they think, that I am full of it.......The only thing that ruins this whole thing is the 10 year old that scotch taped the corners in the scrapbook... I am still hopeful my In Law can save these corners....
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it's my understanding that only 24 cards (22 bb and joe louis & primo carnera) were in the sets that dave festberg sold.
is this true for the set you have ?

you may be right about the cards in festburg's "find" not being "reprints"; however, illustrated here is the problem i have
with the "festburg cards".


.................1947 bond bread....................."1949 sports star subjects"
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.................1947 bond bread.....................card from festburg "find"

backs

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note the difference in the discolored cardboard of the festburg "find" card

furthermore, the two jansen cards and the 1947 bond bread stephens card are printed on thicker cardboard than the
square stephens card. Also, there is a higher printing quality (contrast) in two jansen cards and the 1947 bond bread
stephens card with respect to the stephens card of the festberg find.

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Email me and I will discuss this further...... tedzan11@comcast.net

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Default Jackie 1947?

What do you think? Is it a 1947 or later
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-JACKIE-...item35d97b133a
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Old 07-16-2014, 03:46 PM
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It looks like a 1947 from the BOND BREAD packages. All four corners appear to have a (partial) bevel. I say "partial" since the corner cuts
are not clean-cut.

I wish the seller would have shown the back of this card....in order for me to be certain that it is an original 1947.


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Picked this up recently and it seems to be made by the same production people as the Bond etc. cards and related materials. It is the size of a commemorative postage stamp, blank backed, real photo.

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