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Old 11-12-2013, 01:02 PM
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Default Help with this T206 Evers PSA Grade
Well-centered, colorful card. No paper loss that I can see. Why the low grade?



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Old 11-12-2013, 01:10 PM
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I can see several creases but it almost looks like there is a bit of missing paper under the A in Chicago.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:11 PM
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Looks like several creases and some staining on an off center back. There looks like there could be some kind of ink mark near the "T" the second "S" word "Subjects" too. Still a great 1!
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:18 PM
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looks like maybe erasure below evers, chicago?
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looks like maybe erasure below evers, chicago?
My guess too... and assume that the submitter wanted the grade without qualifier.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:23 PM
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Here's a crop of the area in question. Not perfect but not paper loss or erasure that I can tell...

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What about on the back near the word "Subjects?" Looks like some kind of stray ink near the letters T and S.
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Here's that crop.
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Hmm hard to tell if that's extra ink or just printing flaws.
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:06 PM
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Can you post full high res scans of f & b?
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Sure. I'll scan a higher res version tonight.
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:45 PM
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High res scans.


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nice scans!!!! beats me as to why!!!
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:03 PM
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Joe, very nice card for the grade. It looks like there may be a small spot
of paper loss on the right border even with the very top of his cap.
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:03 PM
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Because you're not an auction house or former PSA grader? :-)
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:08 PM
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Really nice card. There are many creases on the card, aside from other questions previously posed about the card. With the creases alone, the best you may hope for is a 2. Perhaps a re-sub is in order?
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crack and resubmit for the 2.5
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that must have been one of Dan's submissions before psa banned him!
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There are many creases on the card, aside from other questions previously posed about the card. With the creases alone, the best you may hope for is a 2.
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Most of the top third of the card is a web of creases. And there are issues on the bottom edge and more creasing in the bottom third.

Yes, it is a good-looking 1. Maybe it could have gotten a 1.5 or possibly a 2 on a great day.

I have a T206 Rube Waddell that got a 2 without a single crease anywhere...just off centering, corner wear and a light bit of soiling.

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I'd wager that SGC would grade as a 30.
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Disagree about the web of creases, I have much worse on much higher grades. Things look a bit different at that resolution. I'm thinking SGC 30-35 myself. I'll crack and resubmit and report the results.
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Old 11-12-2013, 06:45 PM
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Disagree about the web of creases, I have much worse on much higher grades. Things look a bit different at that resolution. I'm thinking SGC 30-35 myself. I'll crack and resubmit and report the results.
You are spot on. The creases on this card are all very minor. I have multiple T206's with worse creases that have been graded in the SGC30/PSA 2 range.
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Old 11-13-2013, 04:28 AM
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Those are more like wrinkles.. My guess is SGC 30-40. Very nice card.
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20-30 all day...i doubt 40?
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I'll take that, Pete.
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will a slight bump make you like it more? it's a very nice card.
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It is mis-graded; simple as that.
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I agree, but I ain't eating Stache's shorts (or my own).
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Nice card Joe. Is there any surface abrasion along the back right edge? It's a fantastic card regardless of the grade it gets from SGC.
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It says 1 so please video while eating. jk


I agree with most on here. A 2-2.5 is where I would put it. Must have been a bad day for the grader and taking it out on your card.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:32 PM
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I count maybe a dozen wrinkles and creases. I agree, a one is a bit tough, but I can't see it in anything higher than a two. Still nice!
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I think it's kinda funny/strange there seems to be more interest in a mildly misgraded common T206...than a fake Magie error!!!

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I think it's kinda funny/strange there seems to be more interest in a mildly misgraded common T206...than a fake Magie error!!!

Funny!
Firstly, I do not believe that Mr. Evers qualifies as a common (with the whole pesky HOF thing)

But on a serious note. Evers is more attainable for most folks. Magie vs. Magee is of no consequence to the average board member except as a cautionary tale of fraud.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:55 AM
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i suppose I see your point, Mike. I wasn't calling Johny a common...just a common t206!
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Well, it's a beautiful card regardless of the grade!!

Here's my yellow background with a bit of a webbed crease in the upper left corner and it is graded a VG 3.....I think your card deserves a bump

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