Hobby history: The discovery and evolution of T213s, 1942-1986

[ullmandds]

neat stuff...but it looks like burdick had Hustler backs listed as t206 to the end as well...and this proved to be untrue?

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

neat stuff...but it looks like burdick had Hustler backs listed as t206 to the end as well...and this proved to be untrue?

He finally left out Hustler in the 1960 ACC. But then Frank Nagy listed Hustler in his widely reprinted T206 checklist in 1962, so that myth took a while to die off for good.

[Sean]

David, thank you for the history lesson.

[brianp-beme]

Very interesting. I don't collect the Coupon issues, but I find it surprising that the T213-3 issue was so overlooked and relatively 'undiscovered' until the mid-80's Lew Lipset write-up.

In my collecting experience I have for a long time believed that the T213-1 cards were the toughest to come by. Was there a large discovery of T213-3 cards in the 70's or 80's that made this issue more readily available?

Once again thanks David. If not already, all your posts like these should be given a dedicated spot in a special "History of the Hobby" section in the Archive Center here on Net54.

Brian

[buymycards]

Hi David, as a collector of Louisiana issues, I find this topic very interesting. Thank you very much for this information.

On a side note, I see that Burdick does not consider the T215's to be a Louisiana issue, and I agree with that assessment. They were not printed in Louisiana. They may have been distributed in Louisiana, but many other brands were also distributed there.

I have always wondered why Lew Lipsett considered them as a Louisiana issue, but I do not feel that they belong in that category.

Rick

[ValKehl]

But Rick, isn't it pretty much accepted belief these days that the T215 Red Cross cards were ONLY distributed in the Louisiana area? If so, I don't see that it matters as to where these cards were produced.

[tedzan]

I agree with Rick regarding the T215 cards.

The T215-1 cards were printed by American Lithographic in New York. Then shipped to the Lorillard plant in Jersey City, NJ (Factory #10) to be inserted in RED CROSS
Cigarette packs.

Founded in 1760, Lorillard is the oldest continuously operating tobacco company in the US. It has marketed its tobacco products through out the USA and Great Britain.
Where these cigarettes were marketed in the 1910-1912 era, I'm not sure that I know.

The large "Louisiana find" some years back could have been due to an original collection which was relocated from some where else in the US.





TED Z
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