Not again! This is why I have a problem with PWCC!! Sorry for the rant!

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I can also tell you i had some of these t202 listed at a start price fo $120 with no takers...but then i'd list them again at 80 dollars and they would get bid to $150...

In ebays early days they did a study and discovered that auctions end up with higher prices, on average, when the auctions start at $0.99.

Even though I know this is true, I'm still hesitant to do that with my better items.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

In ebays early days they did a study and discovered that auctions end up with higher prices, on average, when the auctions start at $0.99.

Even though I know this is true, I'm still hesitant to do that with my better items.

In my case it wasn't true at all. He had not ONE, but TWO people willing to pay $900 for the card upon receipt (not sure what happened to the first buyer, but it obviously sold again less than 24 hours later). Meanwhile, I barely crack $700 with a .99 cent auction. Where were these buyers when the card was auctioned off? I will never list a $1,000 card ever again on my own.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

In my case it wasn't true at all. He had not ONE, but TWO people willing to pay $900 for the card upon receipt (not sure what happened to the first buyer, but it obviously sold again less than 24 hours later). Meanwhile, I barely crack $700 with a .99 cent auction. Where were these buyers when the card was auctioned off? I will never list a $1,000 card ever again on my own.

well since the cards at issue were under $1000 you are free to continue to auction that kind of card on your own..

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well since the cards at issue were under $1000 you are free to continue to auction that kind of card on your own..

Dude you never have anything nice to add to anything. Start being nicer to people.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Dude you never have anything nice to add to anything. Start being nicer to people.

Some people are just cynics....I get it.....He don't have to be nice to me....the hobby is big enough for all kinds of assholes :-p

[glynparson]

This is not a great comparison, a bump up in grade even just one level can sometimes mean 2-3 times or even more jump in price. This complaint makes little to no sense to me.

[jbsports33]

There is something gong on with prices either way as I have see some auctions on EBay just not looking right the last few years - at least with the bidding process

Have been on eBay a long time and maybe due to the fact the eBay may not being doing their on record collecting or at least just not looking - some of the large auction sellers on eBay are having similar issues some of larger auction houses have had the last 10 years or so

Learn about what your buying - if price is too high do not bid - always other stuff to buy!

Good luck collecting

Jimmy

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by glynparson

This is not a great comparison, a bump up in grade even just one level can sometimes mean 2-3 times or even more jump in price. This complaint makes little to no sense to me.

Usually from 8-9 I would agree with you....6 to 7?? No way.

[Rich Klein]

Bobby it may depend on what card is going from a 6 to a 7. I'd wager a 1910's-20's caramel card moving from 6 to 7 is a major upswing in price

[RedsFan1941]

Bobby buys a PSA 6 U.S. Caramel Lefty Grove in Heritage Auctions -- the largest auction house in America -- for $1,020 on Oct. 15.

Bobby attempts to flip it on eBay less than a month later, starting his auction at 99 cents and offering himself no protection. Card sells for $730.

New owner of the card sells it himself (not with PWCC) on Nov. 21 as a Buy It Now -- offering himself protection -- for $895, which is still less than what the card sold for in Heritage.

And this thread was started to rant about PWCC. Because PWCC sold a PSA 7 example of the same card. For more money than what the PSA 6 sold for.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

Bobby buys a PSA 6 U.S. Caramel Lefty Grove in Heritage Auctions -- the largest auction house in America -- for $1,020 on Oct. 15.

Bobby attempts to flip it on eBay less than a month later, starting his auction at 99 cents and offering himself no protection. Card sells for $730.

New owner of the card sells it himself (not with PWCC) on Nov. 21 as a Buy It Now -- offering himself protection -- for $895, which is still less than what the card sold for in Heritage.

And this thread was started to rant about PWCC. Because PWCC sold a PSA 7 example of the same card. For more money than what the PSA 6 sold for.

Well, yes, but PWCC does not have that nice orange packing tape that Mastro used.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Well, yes, but PWCC does not have that nice orange packing tape that Mastro used.

LMFAO....I remember when I first got in the hobby....Mastro told me I had to be a member and send them $25 (or $50) to become a member to bid on their auctions. Like it was the norm.

And yes.....I tried to flip a card quickly....I know not everyone bids in Heritage....I thought I got it for a steal...apparently, I did not....MY auction was the ABSOLUTE STEAL. And the fact that the buyer sold it, not ONCE but TWICE immediately for $200 extra......well, that tells me all I need to know about .99 cent auctions.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

Bobby buys a PSA 6 U.S. Caramel Lefty Grove in Heritage Auctions -- the largest auction house in America -- for $1,020 on Oct. 15.

Bobby attempts to flip it on eBay less than a month later, starting his auction at 99 cents and offering himself no protection. Card sells for $730.

New owner of the card sells it himself (not with PWCC) on Nov. 21 as a Buy It Now -- offering himself protection -- for $895, which is still less than what the card sold for in Heritage.

And this thread was started to rant about PWCC. Because PWCC sold a PSA 7 example of the same card. For more money than what the PSA 6 sold for.

I think that by merely stating the facts, you consolidated my feelings better in this post than I did in my 4 previous posts combined.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by orly57

I think that by merely stating the facts, you consolidated my feelings better in this post than I did in my 4 previous posts combined.

I agree this thread was started on apples to oranges. I only entered the fray because I don’t believe you would see such a discrepancy for BobfromNet54 on an apples-to-apples comparison.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector View Post
well since the cards at issue were under $1000 you are free to continue to auction that kind of card on your own..

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Dude you never have anything nice to add to anything. Start being nicer to people.

I have said many nice things on the board...what i said to you isnt mean, its the truth. Your post seems not nice to me though and you are doing much worse than whatever you wrongly accusing me of...

Maybe pot calling the kettle black..

[bobbyw8469]

I'm not sure where you are going with this....

[CMIZ5290]

Shocker....Dysfunction due to Brent at PWCC.. Do you guys understand how silly this is over and over?? Brent, please tell me you're not laughing! This guy is invincible, just ask EBAY!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

In ebays early days they did a study and discovered that auctions end up with higher prices, on average, when the auctions start at $0.99.

Even though I know this is true, I'm still hesitant to do that with my better items.

Is this still true on eBay? I have been on eBay since very close to the beginning and it is definitely true about the first 10 years. Since then I only sell once in a while and have had horrible luck with $.99 starting bids the last 6-8 years. I am sure some of that is because I no longer have the great customer base I did in the beginning.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Is this still true on eBay? I have been on eBay since very close to the beginning and it is definitely true about the first 10 years. Since then I only sell once in a while and have had horrible luck with $.99 starting bids the last 6-8 years. I am sure some of that is because I no longer have the great customer base I did in the beginning.

I would say it is NOT true anymore. Unless you are Probstein or PWCC and run a .99 cent auction, you run the risk of your item selling poorly, especially if there is a small window of people interested in your item. Ebay has completely bungled their format for the past 8 years due to their attempt to copy Amazon. They were not content with being Ebay.

[Batpig]

I still don't understand being mad at pwcc for this. There are definitely reasons to dislike them, but if their hammer prices beat yours by that much, you could try, you know, having them sell your stuff.

[packs]

Speaking strictly in theoretical terms, one might say the auctions set unreachable precedent for other people and when I go to the negotiating table they might point to the sale in order to support an above market pricing.

[CMIZ5290]

This is beyond belief...PWCC, Probstein just keep on rolling along, laughing to the bank.... There have been threads in the last 7 or 10 years about these sellers with Ebay issues and ethical flaws, with no resolve, so what's the point? Jealousy? Just saying...They keep right on rocking....Let it die or find something to do about it...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

This is beyond belief...PWCC, Probstein just keep on rolling along. There have been threads in the last 7 or 8 years about these sellers with no resolve, so what's the point? Jealousy? Just saying...

Imagine them like drunk drivers. Most have done it 100's if not 1000's of times, them bam the PoPo are there with lights o flashing. Just saying.