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+1. Isn't that simply called "bidding"?
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Isn't it possible for a consignor to be shilled unknowingly? If the auction house gets a percentage it's in their interest to raise all sale prices.
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I think shilling other peoples' auctions happens more than you think, though it is hidden under the guise of "Protecting one's investment".
Say you pay $5k for a card today, then next week another one in the same grade comes up for auction. Nearing the end of the auction it looks like it's going to sell for $3500, so you bid it up with no intention of winning it to give the illusion of it maintaining the market value that you set for it with your $5k purchase.
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Dave and Steve Forman sure do appear a lot as both consignors and shill bidders.
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i see peter S was shilled for a substantial sum on the list. I kinda remember him being reluctant to write a letter to the judge?
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I saved a shareable version to my google drive. It should be accessible through the following link:
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this works great, was very interesting... anyone else remember all of TJ Schwartz's holier than thou articles about the hobby? lol |
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I noticed a couple from PSA's "Board of Experts" in the shill bidder column. One in particular is seen many times.
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Just saw the list and it was disturbing. Was shocked (not really) to see that someone shilled me. You hear about it all the time but when you see the actual proof, it makes you sick.
I don't know many of the names but will hope to find out whether any of these consignors or shillers are associated with any active Auction House today. It will be a perfect time to remove them from my list of AH's that I bid on. This list is only a drop in the bucket. Who can you trust in this world? |
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Who is Hal Lewis???
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I'm sorry but I can't help but to find it humorous that some of the most egregious shillers were also victims.
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Used to be a regular on the board, who had an impressive collection, then sold it all off. If you search his name and his shill bidders name, you'll see they share the same profession in the same town
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I would like to see a summary of:
1. Current Grading Company Officials 2. Current Autograph Authentication Company Officials 3. Current Auction House Officials 4. Current Dealers/eBay Sellers
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Mastro and his cronies were shilling all sorts of items (just look at the list if you haven't already). Again, perhaps there was a max-bid left by the eventual winner and Mastro helped bump the item up to that price. Remember, he's getting 15-20% of the hammer price. So yes, it is plausible that an auction was shilled without the consignor knowing. But perhaps I'm too naive.
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Pretty eye opening, saw my name as a winning bidder. Surprising just how wide-spread it all was, how did they think nobody would find out when done at this level? Disturbing to say the least.
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How would someone shilling for a friend (or themselves) know how high to go without purchasing the item?
I get how Mastro could be "protected" in their shill bidding because they could conceivably use someone's max bid against them. How would I know if a $10,000 item was shilled up to $15,000 that someone would bid one more than me? Wouldn't there be ample times when I would get stuck, as the shill bidder, with the item? Or were most shill bids up to a reasonable price and not way above market prices? Rob Last edited by trobba; 01-28-2016 at 10:10 AM. |
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For the consignor, the worst case scenario is that nobody overpays, he keeps his card, and the most recent sale of his card is nice and inflated when he consigns it again 4 months down the road. Worst case for the auction house, they don't get a hefty buyer's premium but they can now advertise a NEW RECORD PRICE for whatever card they sold in a press release and on their website.
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Yeah I'm wondering why this appears to be secretive on this board.
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I naively thought that only the big boys bidding on high value lots got shilled. I got shilled for $200. Sad.
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