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Old 06-19-2017, 03:08 PM
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But how does that relate at all to Kaepernick? He knelt during the anthem. He didn't disparage anybody and he listened to criticisms about how he could go about his protest in the most respectful of ways, like kneeling instead of sitting down. All Schilling has ever done is double down any time someone doesn't like what he says. He hasn't spent a second considering how he might get his message across in a respectable way, not that I think there could possibly be a respectable way for him to make his views known, none of which I understand.
How does it relate? Two people each have a job. Both are good/bad at their respective job, depending on who you ask. One crosses ESPN's ideals, and is fired. The other crosses fan/front office ideals, and isn't getting many looks for employment. Both were political statements that could divide people.

I'm not sure I understand the second half of your comment, as it's contradictory and very closed-minded, neither of which make for a good or clear argument.
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:16 PM
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I'll just agree to disagree with you there. Kaepernick's problem is that teams view him as a potential distraction, Schilling's is that there's a lot of hatemongering in him and he makes people uncomfortable. He's insulted the transgender community, the African American community, the scientific community, the Muslim community, it just goes on and on.
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:00 PM
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I'll just agree to disagree with you there. Kaepernick's problem is that teams view him as a potential distraction, Schilling's is that there's a lot of hatemongering in him and he makes people uncomfortable. He's insulted the transgender community, the African American community, the scientific community, the Muslim community, it just goes on and on.
Schilling also spoke for millions of Americans that share his same or similar beliefs but have less of a platform to be heard from. It's not his fault people are offended.

Kaepernick offended MILLIONS of Americans as well.

Here is my point, and you are assisting me in making it. It is ok for people to exercise their First Amendment right, but it is also ok for those who oppose them to do the same. But the argument in favor of Kaepernick seems to be made from a standpoint of he was right and everyone else is wrong.
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I don't see any similarities between the two unless like you said you view them extremely generally and leave it at two people who suffered professional consequences.

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Old 06-19-2017, 05:17 PM
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GM's have to weigh their options. I live just outside of Charlotte. Is Kaepernick better than Derek Anderson? Probably. But, will the GM get any grief from anyone for having Anderson on the team? Nope.

If he signed Kaepernick he runs the risk of alienating at least half of the fan base here. Is it worth signing him if the stadium has only 40,000 fans in attendance? It is all about the money. In many cities, he will drive away more money than he brings in. If Kaepernick was Aaron Rodgers good, it might be worth it. But not for an "ok" guy. It's the same reason Terrell Owens couldn't get a gig, even when he probably had another couple of years in him. When the trouble you bring outweighs the profits you bring,you are out.
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I don't find Schilling to be a unifying force at all, unless it's unifying other people like him.
Schilling DID unify millions of Americans who share his same or similar beliefs (as Kyle mentioned above). Count me as one. I don't want some transgender pervert using the same restroom as my young daughter. I guess that makes me a hatemonger too, huh? Why is Kaepernick allowed to take a stance for something he believes in, but Schilling is not? Both comments by both parties offended millions of Americans. Both comments by both parties unified millions of Americans. We can agree on that, right? But it's OK for Kaepernick to exercise his freedom of speech because you agree with him. But it's not OK for Schilling to exercise his freedom of speech because you disagree with him. That's basically what you're saying, right Frank?
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I don't see any similarities between the two unless like you said you view them extremely generally and leave it at two people who suffered professional consequences.
Ding ding ding. That's all you need to leave it at to understand how they are similar. To go into more detail, both used their First Amendment rights to express political beliefs. But that's it. It's as simple as that, when looking at it from a neutral standpoint.

So if that's all it is, why do you fight so hard for Kaepernick?
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Old 06-19-2017, 05:34 PM
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Schilling DID unify millions of Americans who share his same or similar beliefs (as Kyle mentioned above). Count me as one. I don't want some transgender pervert using the same restroom as my young daughter. I guess that makes me a hatemonger too, huh? Why is Kaepernick allowed to take a stance for something he believes in, but Schilling is not? Both comments by both parties offended millions of Americans. Both comments by both parties unified millions of Americans. We can agree on that, right? But it's OK for Kaepernick to exercise his freedom of speech because you agree with him. But it's not OK for Schilling to exercise his freedom of speech because you disagree with him. That's basically what you're saying, right Frank?
+1. Well said.
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One person is advocating for people's rights and another advocates for taking them away. I'd say that's a fundamental difference between the two.
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One person is advocating for people's rights and another advocates for taking them away. I'd say that's a fundamental difference between the two.
Depends in one's perspective. As far as Im concerned, Schilling was standing up for my rights.
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