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Hi Scott These guys played in an era when you could get 250 Hits; therefore, they didn't need Walks to help boost their BA. However, in the post WWII era getting 250 hits just ain't happening any more. But, being patient and having a good eye can get you Walks, which of course reduces your official AB number.....which in turn (for a given number of Hits) raises your BA. You don't have to take my word for it. Here's what George Brett said to a Sportscaster when asked in 1980 (he batted .390) why he fell short of achieving .400: " I didn't get enough Walks. I needed about dozen more Walks to achieve .400 " TED Z T206 Reference . |
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Over the course of that season there doubtless were a dozen or more times he swung at ball four and made an out, so he's right.
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I like a good discussion, so don't think I'm giving you a hard time.
250 hits has only been done 7 times, and 7 of the top 20 all time hit season totals have occurred since 1977. That's pretty much a perfect ratio of 1/3 of the top seasons in 1/3 of modern ball history. As for Brett, that's great, but it's really anecdotal. Yes technically if he reduced his AB total with a couple handfuls of walks he would've hit .400 it doesn't mean you can employ walks as a strategy to hit .400. Also often times those who excel at something are among the worst at explaining it. It's why guys like Ted Williams are pretty much failures as a managers while guy like Whitey Herzog, Sparky Anderson and Tommy Lasorda are successful. Of course there are exceptions, but generally peaking being a savant doesn't actually mean you're qualified to explain what you do. (And yes I know William's The Science of Hitting is considered a seminal work to this day, but Brett was a disciple of Charlie Lau and Walt Hriniak who couldn't collectively hit their way out of a paper bag.)
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Also would like to point out he only struck out 22 times the year in question which supports my argument. A low K total doesn't mean you have a high average but if you have a high average in all likelihood your K total is pretty low.
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You don't think that once every 8 games he swung at ball 4? I don't have any numbers but it sounds quite plausible to me, even the best hitters get fooled frequently.
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first he only played 118 games that year if I remember correctly so that takes it to once every 6 games. Then how often did he see a pitch on a three ball count? He walked 58 times (and since I had to look that up I checked he played 117 games that year) how many more 3 ball counts above those 58 do you think he saw in 515 plate appearances? Then how many of those WOULD have been ball four that he swung at? I would posit that with three balls the next pitch is probably a strike more often than other counts which lowers the possible number even more. I honestly don't know, but I meant it about Elias. This is the kind of statistic they excel at. But I still think it'll probably be, to most, a surprisingly small number.
515 PA's - 58 Walks _________ 457 PA's How many reached Ball 3? Statistically speaking a 3 ball count is significantly less common. First of all the at bat has to last at LEAST 3 pitches, and then you need three balls. Plus I don't know how often he would swing away at 3 - 0, so that may impact one of the possible 3 ball counts. But if you throw out logic and just look at statistics there are 12 different possible counts only 3 of which are 3 ball counts, or 25%. That would indicate he had 114 3 ball counts that didn't result in walks. I gotta imagine it was actually a LOT less than that. Interesting thought exercise though. Fun stuff.
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