1919-1925 Chicago White Sox game used pants

[EVAJOY91]

1919-1924 CHICAGO WHITE SOX STYLE GAME USED PANTS.
MANUFACTURED BY
GREAT WESTERN ATHLETIC GOODS CO. CHICAGO
PRE WILSON SPORTING GOODS COMPANY

HISTORY

White Sox uniforms from 1916 through the early 1920s were manufactured by Thos. E. Wilson & Co. and the Western Sporting Goods Mfg. Co., not Spalding. In 1925, these two Chicago companies merged to form what is today called Wilson Sporting Goods.

THE INSIDE BAND OF THE PANTS IN BLACK MARKER IS 8 C. SCHALK. WE BELIEVE THIS WAS ADDED SOMETIME AFTER 1925 AND IS NOTED FOR ACCURACY AND IS NOT OR CLAIM TO BE WORN BY RAY SCHALK OF THE 1919 CHICAGO WHITE SOX.

I need help to determine that these are pants from the Chicago White Sox. i searched the net and past auction catalogs. i didn't come up with another game worn White Sox pants from 1919-1925. They are the correct labeling and style. In the Hall of Shame Barry Halper Joe Jackson uniform which was purchased by the Hall of Fame was determined a "Fake" because it didn't have a GREAT WESTERN ATHLETIC GOODS CO. CHICAGO label. It had a Spalding label which was incorrect.

This may be the only Chicago White Sox game worn pants from 1919-1925 in hobby. Any informational, please let me know.

The following information below is the only Chicago White Sox 1919 World Series jersey information I found and again it says that the label has to be the GREAT WESTERN ATHLETIC GOODS CO. CHICAGO to be correct. Please read;

The Hall of Fame uniform collection is also an important resource for research. The only other*Jackson-era White Sox uniforms in the Hall’s collection are two authentic 1917 home uniforms made for the World Series by the Western Sporting Goods Co.*of Chicago. One was worn by coach “Kid” Gleason and the other by Hall of Fame catcher Ray Schalk. Gleason and Schalk saved the uniforms as trophies of their World Series victory; decades later the flannels found their way to Cooperstown as donations to the museum.

LAST PHOTO IS OF THE 1919 CHICAGO WHITE SOX WEARING THE SAME STYLE UNIFORM. THE WHITE SOX WORE THREE STYLES OF UNIFORM INCLUDING A STRIPE STYLE UNIFORM JUST LIKE MY PANTS BELOW.

[patricka]

Here are some images of an original circa 1920 uniform that belonged to White Sox pitcher Danforth

[EVAJOY91]

Thank you for you info. I am aware that the white sox wore three styles of jersey. The one photo you uploaded and the style of pants i attached photos to. I have also included a photo of the 1919 chicago white sox wearing my style jersey and pants.

[yanks12025]

So what makes them white sox pants? Tons of pants were pinstripes back then and I'm sure that company made hundreds of pants for teams from the white sox to minors to local high school teams.

[EVAJOY91]

Im not saying that they are White Sox pants. I am saying that they are White Sox Style pants? What i'm also saying is that they are rare - I can't seem to find another pair with the Great Western Label either a White Sox, College or High School team uniform. I'm trying to find information on these White Sox Style pants and why there is not another sample out there????The collector I purchased them from purchased them in the 1980's and was told that they were White Sox Pants. Either Way a Rare pair of baseball uniform pants with a Rare label from 1919-1925.

[karamaxjoe]

It's more likely Schalk's name would have been stitched into the pants rather than written with a marker. Markers were not invented until the 1950's.

Why would someone write Schalk's name into those pants with something that wasn't invented until 30 to 40 years after the pants were made? I have a pretty good idea why.

[EVAJOY91]

Again, if you read my post, I say exactly what it is. IT'S a White SOX 1919-1925 GAME USED PANTS. I ALSO STATE THAT "SCHALK" WAS PENNED SOMETIME AFTER 1925.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by EVAJOY91

Im not saying that they are White Sox pants. I am saying that they are White Sox Style pants? What i'm also saying is that they are rare - I can't seem to find another pair with the Great Western Label either a White Sox, College or High School team uniform. I'm trying to find information on these White Sox Style pants and why there is not another sample out there????The collector I purchased them from purchased them in the 1980's and was told that they were White Sox Pants. Either Way a Rare pair of baseball uniform pants with a Rare label from 1919-1925.

Originally Posted by EVAJOY91

Again, if you read my post, I say exactly what it is. IT'S a White SOX 1919-1925 GAME USED PANTS. I ALSO STATE THAT "SCHALK" WAS PENNED SOMETIME AFTER 1925.

I'm confused. In one post you say they are White Sox style pants and in another you say they are White Sox game used pants. Which are they, because, I'm not sure you have shown the evidence that links them definitely to the White Sox or pro baseball specific game use?

According to the HOF Dressed to the Nines database, which was compiled by Marc Okkonen, the White Sox wore striped pants 1914 -1917, 1919, and 1920. No other pinstriped uniform were used during the rest of the years from 1915 through 1930. Also, there is no mention of the blue-purplish stripe down the leg like in your example. I also don't see it in the picture you posted, but they are a bit far away to tell for sure.

Here is the link to the Chicago WS uniform from 1910 to 1930.
http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.o...ement=18&pos=1

Hope that helps your research. I would love to see if you have any provenance that definitely links the pants to the White Sox. Please show it if you do.

[karamaxjoe]

Originally Posted by EVAJOY91

Again, if you read my post, I say exactly what it is. IT'S a White SOX 1919-1925 GAME USED PANTS.

You have a possible style match of Sox pants from that era. You're going to need more than someone's word that the pants came from the Sox. Any local Chicago area team could have ordered those back in the day.

The bottom left hand corner of this 1919 Tribune ad shows that the Thomas E Wilson & Co. sold uniforms to anyone .

[Dave Grob]

When dating or trying to establish a possible range for pants, you may want to pay attention to how the belt loops are affixed; both as a function of number and location. For example do the pants in the image that you are comparing yours to with feature:

1. A certain number of loops and then larger tunnels on the side or back.
2. A loop located in the center of where the pants are joined at the button line.
3. A pair of loops close to the center, then spaced loops with out tunnels.

My point in all this pants have physical traits that have changed over time just as can be found on jerseys. These can also vary my manufacturer as well.

Dave Grob
DaveGrob1@aol.com

[Nashvol]

Here we go again...

[slidekellyslide]

Jeez Louise...did this guy find the supplier for Coach's Corner?

If your c1910-20 uniform pants have a hall of famer's name magic markered into them, you have been had.

[perezfan]

Interesting alteration on each leg around the knee area. Professional quality tailoring?

[Dave Grob]

I think if you compare the fabric of your pants with known period major quality examples as well as fabric sample catalogs, you will find this fabric to be of a lesser quality. Once of the ways you can assess this, even without physically examining the fabric is through the weave. In this case it becomes much easier since these feature a pinstripe.

Dave Grob
DaveGrob1@aol.com

[Econteachert205]

Disregard

[Shoeless Moe]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-24-CHIC...item1e981fb09a



"WE ASKED NET54 MEMBERS FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE, BUT AS USUAL THEY WERE NO HELP. JUST A BUNCH OF SKEPTICS."

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-24-CHIC...item1e981fb09a



"WE ASKED NET54 MEMBERS FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE, BUT AS USUAL THEY WERE NO HELP. JUST A BUNCH OF SKEPTICS."

I think for this statement alone he should be banned!!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

I think for this statement alone he should be banned!!

Actually it sounds like a compliment to me. Oh, and I never thought to add a picture of my auction catalog library to my ebay auctions. Super Genius.

[Duluth Eskimo]

And I quote, "No deception here"

None at all.......

[Jaybird]

Can we know the name of this member that is constantly trying to misrepresent items and scam people?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-24-CHIC...item1e981fb09a



"WE ASKED NET54 MEMBERS FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE, BUT AS USUAL THEY WERE NO HELP. JUST A BUNCH OF SKEPTICS."

That's hilarious given that everything he knows about vintage baseball, he learned from NE54 MEMBERS.

[yanks12025]

This guy is crazy!!

Now he's selling them as 100% white sox pants used by Ray. Lol

http://m.ebay.com/itm/141612447666

[GoCubsGo32]

I'M SOLD!!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Jaybird

Can we know the name of this member that is constantly trying to misrepresent items and scam people?

Of course, this kind of seller needs to be known and his name is now permanently under his user id in all of his posts on this board.

[gnaz01]

Isn't this the same guy who had stuff pulled from H&S??

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

This guy is crazy!!

Now he's selling them as 100% white sox pants used by Ray. Lol

http://m.ebay.com/itm/141612447666

The assumptions and conclusions are imho mostly laughable. The fact that the guy would have a hard time passing a middle school grammar test I would hope be enough to let buyers beware.

"THE INSIDE BAND OF THE PANTS IN BLACK MARKER IS 8 C. SCHALK. WE BELIEVE THIS WAS ADDED SOMETIME AFTER 1959. NOTED FOR ACCURACY AND IS NOT PROOF THAT THESE PANTS WAS WORN BY RAY SCHALK,

BUT THERE EXIST NO PROOF THAT IS WASN'T. "

I wonder how much he would pay for a pair of 1920's Babe Ruth soiled underwear with "exist no proof that it wasn't"