52 mantle 10 and 9.5

[Jdoggs]

Can someone post the pics of the 52 topps mantle dbacks psa 10 and the heritage sgc 9.5 which are on display at the national?
Thanks!

[mrreality68]

Here they are hope they are good enough they are from the National

[Jay Wolt]

The SGC one seems more vibrant. Unless the lighting was better

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

The SGC one seems more vibrant. Unless the lighting was better

Here's a pic with different lighting.

[JollyElm]

1952mantlesnational.jpg

[Jay Wolt]

Geez, makes a world of difference
Hopefully neither card will fade w/ all of the lighting at the show

[brass_rat]

Jeff or others can correct me if wrong, but the 9.5 had overhead, direct lighting whereas the 10 was on a white, semi-transparent illuminated plastic platform that was much dimmer then the 9.5 lighting.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think is the Fogel one. Not sure what's up with the lower left. Pic won't load so here is a link.
https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...ades-sy-berger

[Jay Wolt]

Here's the upload

[jbl79]

Here are the two PSA 10's and SGC 9.5 together...

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Here they are hope they are good enough they are from the National

Amazing thank you!

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Attachment 527264

Fantastic pic thanks! Are the 2 cards in the same display case?

[Shoeless Moe]

Just doesn't look right with his bat on the wrong shoulder.

What else ya got?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

Fantastic pic thanks! Are the 2 cards in the same display case?

I just took the (sideways) pics posted by someone else and righted them and used basic photoshop filters to make 'em a bit sharper. Unfortunately, I'm stuck at home, a million miles away from the show.

[Lorewalker]

LOL to the thread replies and the images posted.

To adequately compare these two cards they would need to be and deserve to be viewed under the same light or if by an image, done from the same scanner with identical settings. Images pulled from the net or grainy horizontal cellphone pics are almost as great as someone drawing a picture of the two cards.

[Bpm0014]

Am I the only one that thinks the 9.5 is the nicest one??

[irv]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Am I the only one that thinks the 9.5 is the nicest one??

No you're not.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Am I the only one that thinks the 9.5 is the nicest one??

From the images provided, I like the 9.5 best too. But as stated above... unless they are photographed together and with the same light, it's not exactly "apples to apples".

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by perezfan

From the images provided, I like the 9.5 best too. But as stated above... unless they are photographed together and with the same light, it's not exactly "apples to apples".

Plus 1 agree I think the 9.5 looked better in person than the 10 and both locations so packed it was hard to get clean picture in addiction the lighting in each area was not the same

But I am splitting hairs they were both gorgeous and either would be a dream card to have

[HobokenJon]

Is it me, or does the DBacks PSA 10 Mantle have a slight tilt to it? It looks like the left border is slightly wider toward the bottom than it is at the top. Or am I imagining this?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Is it me, or does the DBacks PSA 10 Mantle have a slight tilt to it? It looks like the left border is slightly wider toward the bottom than it is at the top. Or am I imagining this?

It does but it's very slight IMO.

[HobokenJon]

Should a “gem mint” card have a slight tilt? I thought “gem mint” was supposed to mean flawless, as in a perfect 10.

[JimC]

You really would need the PSA 10 on the left and the 9.5 so you'd have a perfect Type 2 and Type 1. Otherwise, what's the point???

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Should a “gem mint” card have a slight tilt? I thought “gem mint” was supposed to mean flawless, as in a perfect 10.

I would guess there was some politics in the grade, and it was also a very early old bar code grade.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by HobokenJon

Is it me, or does the DBacks PSA 10 Mantle have a slight tilt to it? It looks like the left border is slightly wider toward the bottom than it is at the top. Or am I imagining this?

Was it earlier in this thread or the one on BO where someone demonstrated the SGC 9.5 has a tilt too. Not to defend the 10 with a tilt but how many 52 T Mantles in any grade do not have some tilt? The 52 set was plagued with that flaw.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would guess there was some politics in the grade, and it was also a very early old bar code grade.

I wonder what it would grade out or be the same if was graded today

[brunswickreeves]

All are amazing cards, but each have flaws. The DBacks PSA 10 has muddy Yankees lettering and a wobbly top horizontal bar containing Mick's sig. The PSA 10 in old holder is slightly off center, with a smaller space of the boarder to the top edge of the card vs larger space at bottom edge. The 9.5 has slight discoloration/staining at boarder to top edge of card, as has been discussed.

[chriskim]

It seems like the 3rd PSA10 has been hiding from the internet for the past 30 yrs. No such image can be found on the internet.

[MattyC]

I find the tilt on the PSA 10 to be way harder on my eye than the toning/stain on the SGC 9.5. I would therefore prefer the latter all day, and I am someone who does not give a flipping flip about the Coke vs Pepsi of SGC vs PSA. I despise all TPG opinions equally, buy the card, and have holders from both companies in my collection

[glynparson]

I think the Murphy/Fogel Mantle is the best the sgc second diamondback collection third the third ten owned by a New York collector fourth and Haas GAI ten that was a PSA 9 probably 5th.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I think the Murphy/Fogel Mantle is the best the sgc second diamondback collection third the third ten owned by a New York collector fourth and Haas GAI ten that was a PSA 9 probably 5th.

What do you think PSA would have graded the SGC one?

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What do you think PSA would have graded the SGC one?

Probably a 9 but I honestly don’t think the candiotti/Kendrick copy or the third one would get a ten anymore. All the nicely centered Rosen find copies are beautiful cards. Any reasonable collector would be thrilled to own any of them.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Probably a 9 but I honestly don’t think the candiotti/Kendrick copy or the third one would get a ten anymore. All the nicely centered Rosen find copies are beautiful cards. Any reasonable collector would be thrilled to own any of them.

Which is the one that Peter Garcia owned for a while?

[Steve D]

The 9.5 also has that black dot in the middle of the bottom border.

Steve

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Here's the upload

Does this 10 have a little yellow discoloration on upper middle border too like the SGC 9.5?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Which is the one that Peter Garcia owned for a while?

I am now recalling that the Garcia one is indeed the one whose whereabouts are (publicly anyhow) unknown, and that Peter bought it from Craig Roehrig although I am not 1000 percent sure.

[Peter_Spaeth]

How far we have come. A PSA listing of top prices realized from 20 years ago. LOL.

T206 Honus Wagner, PSA NM-MT 8* $1,265,000 2000 Auction
T206 Honus Wagner, PSA NM-MT 8* $640,500 1996 Auction
T206 Honus Wagner, "NM-MT" Ungraded* $451,000 1991 Auction
T206 Honus Wagner, PSA VG-EX 4** $325,000 1999 Private sale
1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle, PSA Gem Mint 10 $325,000 2000 Private sale
1952 Topps Mickey Mantle, PSA Gem Mint 10*** $275,000 2001 Private sale
T206 Honus Wagner, "VG-EX" Ungraded** $223,992 1998 Auction
T206 Honus Wagner, "VG-EX" Ungraded $220,000 1992
T206 Eddie Plank, PSA NM-MT 8 $203,000 1999 Auction
T206 Joe Doyle, Variation PSA Good 2 $178,598 2000 Auction