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04-17-2018, 06:58 AM
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Does WAR mean anything??
I see on ESPN that Bryce Harper, who is leading the league in just about everything even walks, is TWELFTH in WAR this morning, with a WAR barely over half of the leader, Corey Dickerson. How can this be? Some anomaly due to small number of games played so far? (On the other hand, not surprisingly, Mike Trout leads the AL.)
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04-18-2018, 06:58 AM
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Harper is going nuts with the stick, but he's only a left fielder. Even somewhat comparable output from a center fielder, catcher or shortstop is going to mean more WAR for the premium position player.
Honestly, while I understand the concept of value at positions that are considered defensive premiums, I think the whole thing is sightly overdone when it comes to WAR. Last I checked, Harper is by far the best player in the bigs right now.
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04-18-2018, 07:08 AM
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He is 16th in the NL this morning. Leads the league in HR RBI OBP and OPS. What a joke.
WAR Good god y'all What is it good for Absolutely nothing
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04-18-2018, 08:01 AM
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I agree with the 'stache that we can question how defense is calculated. I have an issue with giving players a premium for the position they play or penalize them for playing another position. However, I don't think it gives enough value for those that are outstanding defensively. When evaluating Harper, is he an above average fielder or does his defense hurt the team? That is the question you should be asking. We know he is the best hitter in the league right now and WAR backs that up.
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04-18-2018, 08:23 AM
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So after 15 games he has supposedly cost his team close to a full game compared to the average outfielder? That sounds insane.
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04-18-2018, 09:15 AM
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This reminds me of the thread where some types of card collecting get ripped... as in, there are different ways to collect and there are different ways to enjoy the game of baseball. Why rip the ways you don't like?
If you like batting average, good for you! If you enjoy wOBA, have fun! Only into sacrifice flies and balks? Enjoy it! I think people enjoying different facets of collecting and the game make it more interesting and are better for the long term viability of each. Bashing what other people enjoy is only counter-productive. In the words of the band War, "Why can't we be friends?"
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04-19-2018, 06:49 AM
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04-24-2018, 11:42 AM
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WAR stands for WINS ABOVE REPLACEMENT replacement player is a set group of numbers meant to represent a crap player called up fro AAA to replace a legit starter. an average MLB WAR is around 2.0 it is wayyyy too early to put any stock in any stats metrics are the future, they are what the teams use to build and operate their franchises, you can ignore them, hand wave them or wtvr but it comes off as flat eartherish
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04-18-2018, 07:49 AM
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Batting average, hrs, rbis,sbs
If it works for roto it works for me! Dont even get me started on "exit velocity" (Admittedly Old school) Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk
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04-18-2018, 11:01 PM
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Eh, idk, someone asks an opinion and we give it. No harm no foul, to each his own, and maybe some other cliches i cant think of cuz its late. Stats, even traditional ones, can be twisted to "say" anything. Thats the cool thing about it, in a way.
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04-19-2018, 05:17 PM
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04-20-2018, 07:18 AM
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It has already been pointed out. Corey Dickerson is not playing better than Bryce Harper despite what WAR says. Andrelton Simmons was third in all of baseball last year despite putting up pretty average numbers. Defense is not weighed equally for everyone. It boosts some player's WAR while shrinking others. I already made my point re: Mattingly and his negative WAR for defense, which is absurd.
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04-20-2018, 08:53 AM
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Harper trails Tucker Barnhart, he of 2 HR and 4 RBI.
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04-20-2018, 12:31 PM
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Yeah, I've been pointing out the Mattingly thing for years. All other defensive optics he's superior at his position, but WAR chooses to really penalize 1st Basemen no matter how good they are for some reason. I think it's a hugely under-rated position. Just because teams can stick largely immobile guys there, thinking they are hiding them, and I think it's a super misguided strategy. I've watched enough Yankees 1st Basemen over the years, to see how a competent to superior 1st Basemen can elevate the confidence of an entire infield. Just watch Greg Bird in last years playoffs, compared to the round robin of 1st Basemen they had playing during most of the regular season. Meanwhile Jason Heyward has racked up tons of WAR points in Right Field in his career, while averaging about 2.5 chances per game. A lot of them, simply by stealing chances from his centerfielder on routine plays............who in turn, usually have THEIR defensive WAR impacted negatively, whenever Heyward inhabits that corner of the field.
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