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Old 07-11-2007, 02:10 PM
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Default Red Cobb - 26 diff backs....your favorite T206 Cobb is ?

Posted By: JimB

By the way, have you all looked at the preview of the Mastro Live auction? There is a really sharp Ty Cobb back coming up.
JimB

http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Preview%20Lot%20Information&DisplayIndex=2

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Old 07-11-2007, 05:27 PM
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Default Red Cobb - 26 diff backs....your favorite T206 Cobb is ?

Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Hey guy....what took you so long....my bets were that you would chime in by early this morning in response
to this thread.

I hope yow realize that the Cobb on display here is the front of the one you favor.

No debate here Jim......the Ty Cobb backed card is a unique and very "mystical" card and here's wishing we
find out its true origin someday in the not too far off future.

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Old 07-11-2007, 06:47 PM
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Posted By: JimB

Hi Ted,
I thought that it looked familiar from the REA find of '97.
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Old 07-12-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Red Cobb - 26 diff backs....your favorite T206 Cobb is ?

Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

JIM B

There is no mistaking the Red Cobb with the Ty Cobb back from the front......

His hair is more blonde and his eyes are a clear blue......

And, are there any other subtle identifying differences from the regular Red Cobb,
with respect to the front ?

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

The Red Cobb with its 26 different backs (or 27, if Jim is correct) was printed with far more backs
than any other T206 in this respect.

Cobb is the "king" of the Six Super Prints. The five other ones are.....

Diff. Backs
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19............Mathewson (dark cap)
18............Chance (portrait-yellow)
18............Chase (portrait-blue)
17............Chase (dark cap)
16............Evers (bat-yellow sky)

And, the following 350/460 Series cards are available with many diff. backs.....note how often you
see these Subjects on ebay or at shows (relative to other T206's).

Diff. backs
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17............Baker
17............Bender (No trees)
17............Burch (fldg)
16............Cobb (bat off)
18............Downey (bat)
15............Doyle (bat)
18............Elberfeld (fldg-Wash)
17............Griffith (bat)
17............Jennings (dancing)
16............Jennings (one hand)
18............Johnson (pitching)
15............Jordan (bat)
15............Joss (pitching)
15............Konetchy (glove low)
16............Manning (pitching)
15............Mullin (bat)
17............O'Leary (hands on knees)
17............Reulbach (no glove)
16............Seymour (throwing)
15............Stahl (glove)
15............Street (fldg)
16............Willetts


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Posted By: Scot Reader


Ted,

Putting aside the Cobb Back, why do you think the other five superprints were printed with fewer T206 backs than Cobb Red? I have always thought these six subjects could be found with a common set of backs.

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Old 07-12-2007, 07:38 PM
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Default Red Cobb - 26 diff backs....your favorite T206 Cobb is ?

Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

I think the answer to your excellent question is written in the BB encyclopedia.

Cobb batted a league-leading .377 and drove in 100+ runs in 1909.....helping Detroit to win the AL pennant.

Note also in the list, the Detroit subjects printed with a large variety of backs....a 2nd Cobb in the 350/460
series, Jennings (dancing), Jennings (one hand), Mullin (bat), O'Leary, and Willetts.

If I recall correctly, in your timeline, this series was being designed right after the 1909 season ended. And,
everyone wanted a "piece" of Cobb; so, ATC gave the public what they wanted by providing him in as many
tobacco packs as were available to the public.


Anyhow, I'm sure some more backs will be confirmed for the 5 other super-prints, but none of these subjects
will approach having the numerous backs that the Red Cobb has.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
I agree, I think we'll see a few more of the Superprints surface with different backs. But, knowing Cobb and his ego, he probably insisted his photo was printed more than anyone elses. Besides, they probably had to pay him more, so they might as well print more... Be well Brian

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Default Red Cobb - 26 diff backs....your favorite T206 Cobb is ?

Posted By: Scot Reader

Ted, Brian:

Consider the following:

1. There are more T206 subjects depicting Chase (5) than Cobb (4).
2. There are more superprints of Chase (2) than Cobb (1).
3. ATC was located in New York--where of course Chase played.

My guess is that all six superprinted subjects enjoyed very similar print runs.

[And in my experience watching eBay, Chase (Dark Cap) is just about as ubiquitous as Cobb (Red)].

Scot

Edited to add: Also, Ted, you have (quite impressively) been able to acquire all superprints with Sovereign 460 EXCEPT Cobb (Red). I believe this would hint, at least, that Cobb (Red) was printed in no greater numbers than the other superprints.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I am not sure that the two cards of Chase, Chance, and in particular, Evers will be found with as many
backs as the Red Cobb.

And, I say this because Chase (portrait-blue) is my very 1st T206 (acquired 26 yrs ago) and my favorite.
I have most of the variety of backs Chase was printed with (including Broad Leaf) and I've not seen any
more than the currently confirmed 18 backs.

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